National wild venison standard

[devon deer stalker]

This is exactly why I asked in the first instance... like you say those of us with a registered food business are inspected each year and given a hygiene rating out if 5 which must be the start of increasing consumer confidence..... If only people ate as much venison as they do on masterchef we would be in a much more wholesome position as suppliers.....

And that is part of the issue some of us have, there is a perfectly acceptable standard of traceability in place, just like firearms licensing, it doesn't get administered correctly.
Creating another system isn't necessary, but inspecting trained hunters and AGHE in a more stringent way, and promoting game (not just venison) is, but we shouldn't have to pay for this service out of our own pockets.
At the end of the day game isn't, and will never be popular.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Who ever is paying the hush money, please drop me a PM for my details!

Very obvious that this absolutely flawless awesome idea is being cuddled from behind the scenes, to prevent clarity and criticism coming to light

 

[Tim.243]

Who ever is paying the hush money, please drop me a PM for my details!

Very obvious that this absolutely flawless awesome idea is being cuddled from behind the scenes, to prevent clarity and criticism coming to light

Morning Lee....

 

[sikamalc]

Never remember it that low 80p/ lb was lowest for fallow, in 1980 it was a 1.00 / lb and about the same in 2015 when I left.

I remember the price in Scotland back in the early 1990's when it was 20p. Even the local poachers stopped killing deer.
I must agree that this whole idea is not really going to help with reducing deer numbers. I doubt it will stop the back street venison sellers either. Or improve hygiene standards. One would have thought that these are the two priorities?
There are some out there that are still selling venison that falls way beneath the standards required, and also some that passed their Level 2 some years back, that should not have done so either. Having had a number of clients over the years, you would be surprised at some who claim to present a carcass properly.

 

[devon deer stalker]

Who ever is paying the hush money, please drop me a PM for my details!

Very obvious that this absolutely flawless awesome idea is being cuddled from behind the scenes, to prevent clarity and criticism coming to light

Welcome back

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I remember the price in Scotland back in the early 1990's when it was 20p. Even the local poachers stopped killing deer.
I must agree that this whole idea is not really going to help with reducing deer numbers. I doubt it will stop the back street venison sellers either. Or improve hygiene standards. One would have thought that these are the two priorities?
There are some out there that are still selling venison that falls way beneath the standards required, and also some that passed their Level 2 some years back, that should not have done so either. Having had a number of clients over the years, you would be surprised at some who claim to present a carcass properly.

This whole not very bright idea is a whole world of bum touching behind the scenes, because there are too many deer and no market for it!

If i could be bothered I could pick it into so many pieces!

I have been wholesale killing deer for 20 years, venison has not become a staple of our diet, dear, was shot and processed decades before I started, and it wasn’t a staple of our diet, then either, so what does that tell you?

It tells you that there is a very small minuscule market for venison in the UK.

It’s not bloody rocket science, really, venison never ever will be a staple of the human diet in the UK period!

 

[devon deer stalker]

I remember the price in Scotland back in the early 1990's when it was 20p. Even the local poachers stopped killing deer.
I must agree that this whole idea is not really going to help with reducing deer numbers. I doubt it will stop the back street venison sellers either. Or improve hygiene standards. One would have thought that these are the two priorities?
There are some out there that are still selling venison that falls way beneath the standards required, and also some that passed their Level 2 some years back, that should not have done so either. Having had a number of clients over the years, you would be surprised at some who claim to present a carcass properly.

It will most certainly have the opposite effect on deer numbers, as less will be shot.
The food standards are already in existence, and like us, they are followed to the letter, but it’s the administration of the standards that currently fails. More inspections should be carried out by the local authorities, deer should be rejected by the game dealers, and persistent providers of sub standard carcasses be struck off the AGHE list of providers.
No matter how much money is thrown at this scheme to promote venison it will fail, venison is an acquired taste, and 99% of the British public don’t have the acquired taste!

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

It will most certainly have the opposite effect on deer numbers, as less will be shot.
The food standards are already in existence, and like us, they are followed to the letter, but it’s the administration of the standards that currently fails. More inspections should be carried out by the local authorities, deer should be rejected by the game dealers, and persistent providers of sub standard carcasses be struck off the AGHE list of providers.
No matter how much money is thrown at this scheme to promote venison it will fail, venison is an acquired taste, and 99% of the British public don’t have the acquired taste!

100%

There are too many idiots clinging on to a dream that’s has been miss sold!

This scheme can do one as far as i am concerned, unless it is in writing going to guarantee me a carcass price of at least £4 per kilo (because that’s what I want to deal with all the bull**** and ball ache of it all)

What most of you don’t realise is, I am one of the very few people on this forum who are more than qualified/experienced in this field!

I have been serving a ban for the last month or more, and this is the only thread on the whole of the SD that I’ve been itching to post on

 

[sikamalc]

Well as long as the language is tempered you are welcome. If not next time the ban will be perminant.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Let’s keep this at the top, it’s a subject that needs to be transparent, open an honest.

By the lack of comments, obviously there is a massive amount of back door activity behind the scenes.

 

[big ears]

Let’s keep this at the top, it’s a subject that needs to be transparent, open an honest.

By the lack of comments, obviously there is a massive amount of back door activity behind the scenes.

Keeping it at the top is easy. Transparent and honest

As long as the radio silence continues we all should be concerned.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Keeping it at the top is easy. Transparent and honest

As long as the radio silence continues we all should be concerned.

At the moment, with the widespread silence on this thread, the whole scheme looks as bent as a 9 bob note!

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Are the powers that be or their minions actually going to grow a pair and be open and honest on this subject?

 

[User00040]

What most of you don’t realise is, I am one of the very few people on this forum who are more than qualified/experienced in this field!

 

[Island]

I am one of the very few people on this forum who are more than qualified/experienced in this field!

Somewhat worryingly I do think that you genuinely believe this...

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Somewhat worryingly I do think that you genuinely believe this...

10 years working to the standard of red tractor, yearly audits, plus the last 2 years working to the standards of 3 supermarkets as well as audits, unannounced supermarket audits, as well as production visits and audits.

Thats on agricultural meat production.

So yep that’s that covered!

But that my final word on the subject, you boys obviously don’t need any help in this matter, because you all obviously know better!

 

[Island]

What most of you don’t realise is, I am one of the very few people on this forum who are more than qualified/experienced in this field!

10 years working to the standard of red tractor, yearly audits, plus the last 2 years working to the standards of 3 supermarkets as well as audits, unannounced supermarket audits, as well as production visits and audits.

Thats on agricultural meat production.

So yep that’s that covered!

But that my final word on the subject, you boys obviously don’t need any help in this matter, because you all obviously know better!

My response was not questioning your qualifications or knowledge, rather your claim that there are "very few" on this site who are as qualified and experienced as you about this subject (and many other subjects it would seem).

 

[Pete6.5]

My response was not questioning your qualifications or knowledge, rather your claim that there are "very few" on this site who are as qualified and experienced as you about this subject (and many other subjects it would seem).

I hate to say it but he's right their are very few on here with that experience of farming to a standard Which requires constant audits and also shooting good numbers of deer and doing both for many years.

 

[Island]

I hate to say it but he's right their are very few on here with that experience of farming to a standard Which requires constant audits and also shooting good numbers of deer and doing both for many years.

That is a bold claim.

As far as I'm aware there is somewhere north of 25,000 registered members on this site, only a very small proportion posting with any regularity.

 

[Pete6.5]

That is a bold claim.

As far as I'm aware there is somewhere north of 25,000 registered members on this site, only a very small proportion posting with any regularity.

I don't think it's that bold. If a person had to tick 3 boxes I don't think there would be many of them.
1. Shot 100 plus deer a year
2. Run a farming business to red tractor standard
3. Do both for 10 -15 years plus