More revokes

Following the events in Devon , most if not all have been reviewing files of folks who have medical conditions etc . However a review isn't revocation, though some are inevitable as are new applicants being granted .
I dont believe Police have a big agenda to reduce firearm ownership but they certainly do have a duty of care
 
Someone I know had theirs revoked the other week. Granted in one county, moved to another county, had a visit from the new area, deemed not suitable.
 
Ive had my SGC for 10 years and my FAC under a year when i heard these changes, before i went head long in the expense of shooting i done my checks.

You can ask for a free copy of your criminal records through the Subject access request laws.
You need to apply to the National records AND also your Local force this will give give you an overview of your criminal record.

If nothing else it might give you a head start on any problems that may be in store for you.
 
Following the events in Devon , most if not all have been reviewing files of folks who have medical conditions etc . However a review isn't revocation, though some are inevitable as are new applicants being granted .
I dont believe Police have a big agenda to reduce firearm ownership but they certainly do have a duty of care

So we accept the police have a duty of care so then just like when the NHS cock up why are the injured parties not suing the police , ie Plymouth? or are they?
 
Had a talk with a FEO and this is all coming from the new guidance being pushed, they have admitted that they are currently revoking and will also be spending more time on renewals as well.
Nothing sounded good
Revoking for what reason
 
Revoking for what reason
Previous criminal record that was regarded as ok at the time ie Complaints of violence during a break up, previous mental health issues that you have told them about.

Im not trying to scare but they are now looking at the rules as black and white, no " we understand theres 2 sides to every story". "Its a priviledge to own a firearm Not a right"
 
So we accept the police have a duty of care so then just like when the NHS cock up why are the injured parties not suing the police , ie Plymouth? or are they?
You need to consult a correctly legally qualified person to get a proper answer and of course did that actually occur . I seriously don't think the cops will shout it from the rooftops.
Individuals in the NHS can be charged and or the leadership
 
Im not trying to scare but they are now looking at the rules as black and white, no " we understand theres 2 sides to every story". "Its a priviledge to own a firearm Not a right"

It's not so much a case of them looking at the rules as black and white, many of the rules ARE now black and white and have become statutory. Cases are still assessed on their merits, but there are clearer and more stringent rules now, and a more defined decision-making process.
 
The source of this whole debacle is clear and the eventual outcome entirely predictable. The purpose of firearms and explosives licensing is 'Protection of Public Safety', that's why it exists.

The source is persistent and sustained Conservative government cuts to public service funding. This has resulted in year on year reductions in staffing, trained and experience staff leaving, excessive workloads, shortcuts being taken and incidents not dealt with properly or ignored.

People who never should have been granted certificates were granted. Certificate holders who misbehaved were not revoked, with the inevitable tragic loss of life.
The most well known tragedy has (at long last) sparked off nothing less than a blind panic and a huge disaster recovery/backside-covering operation, resulting in multiple revocations and deplorable service to law abiding certificate holders, who come nowhere in the list of priorities.

Not to put too fine a point on it, the Tories 💩 have buggered up just about every public service, from NHS, Passports, Border controls, Land Registry etc. etc. etc. and firearms licensing is no exception. Could anyone reliably name a public service that they have not seriously damaged? Certainly not I!!

That's it in a nutshell, ladies and gents.👿
 
Not to put too fine a point on it, the Tories 💩 have buggered up just about every public service, from NHS, Passports, Border controls, Land Registry etc. etc. etc. and firearms licensing is no exception. Could anyone reliably name a public service that they have not seriously damaged? Certainly not I!!

That's it in a nutshell, ladies and gents.👿
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The source of this whole debacle is clear and the eventual outcome entirely predictable. The purpose of firearms and explosives licensing is 'Protection of Public Safety', that's why it exists.

The source is persistent and sustained Conservative government cuts to public service funding. This has resulted in year on year reductions in staffing, trained and experience staff leaving, excessive workloads, shortcuts being taken and incidents not dealt with properly or ignored.

People who never should have been granted certificates were granted. Certificate holders who misbehaved were not revoked, with the inevitable tragic loss of life.
The most well known tragedy has (at long last) sparked off nothing less than a blind panic and a huge disaster recovery/backside-covering operation, resulting in multiple revocations and deplorable service to law abiding certificate holders, who come nowhere in the list of priorities.

Not to put too fine a point on it, the Tories 💩 have buggered up just about every public service, from NHS, Passports, Border controls, Land Registry etc. etc. etc. and firearms licensing is no exception. Could anyone reliably name a public service that they have not seriously damaged? Certainly not I!!

That's it in a nutshell, ladies and gents.👿
Would you care to give a sensible and logical alternative source of Govt which would tick the boxes? I would love to hear of one that would fulfil your desires and make you happy. At this present time such political fantasies are quite a rare option, similar to Unicorns I believe. 🦡
 
Not a case of operate on the dark side. But we probably all know someone who shoots and you would not be a referee for.
Very true. I have met one or two over the past few years that I refuse to take out or deal with, after seeing how they handle themselves and approach firearm ownership. One cannot blame the police for being cautious at times, its a fine line to tread at times.
However I do feel that the whole system needs a thorough review. Especially as I cannot fathom why any firearms owner is not required to have public liability insurance added to an application.
 
It's not so much a case of them looking at the rules as black and white, many of the rules ARE now black and white and have become statutory. Cases are still assessed on their merits, but there are clearer and more stringent rules now, and a more defined decision-making process.
Its going to be pretty hard to prove someone with 5 years term minimum is unsuitable ( without clear new medical evidence or a crime ) . Actually we got a visit and my daughter needed speaking to because the Devon incident involved autism but not a problem ! The Feo is very good and balanced and we simply explained that Autism comes in many forms and hers is very high intellect and an inability to actually break rules if required - All good !
 
HM coroner has actioned all forces in UK and Wales to revist incidents where holders had thier guns removed then given back. The fld will go back five years and it will be conducted by someone else other than the intial decision maker. So a second set of eyes will look at the intial investigation and process. If there are no discrepancies the cert holder will not even know about it. If there are the new decision maker will address any contentious decisions. A re visit may take place. These reviews will look at decisions where mainly mental health was involved. So no witch hunt forces aren't looking to revoke folk. Its a an action by the coronor following the Devon incident along with other concerns and actions.
 
Would you care to give a sensible and logical alternative source of Govt which would tick the boxes? I would love to hear of one that would fulfil your desires and make you happy. At this present time such political fantasies are quite a rare option, similar to Unicorns I believe. 🦡
You are spot on. What a sad state politics are in. There just isn't anyone.
 
HM coroner has actioned all forces in UK and Wales to revist incidents where holders had thier guns removed then given back. The fld will go back five years and it will be conducted by someone else other than the intial decision maker. So a second set of eyes will look at the intial investigation and process. If there are no discrepancies the cert holder will not even know about it. If there are the new decision maker will address any contentious decisions. A re visit may take place. These reviews will look at decisions where mainly mental health was involved. So no witch hunt forces aren't looking to revoke folk. Its a an action by the coronor following the Devon incident along with other concerns and actions.

That sounds like a very sensible approach.
 
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