Electric Car Debate

[LuckyEddie]

child labour is an awkward one, if the kids cant mine how should they earn money?
yes it would be lovely if all kids played in the parks and got a great education but the worlds not like that. for young girls the jobs would be pretty grim

Isn‘t that the ultimate goal though, that no child should be forced/need to work to survive?
After all child chimney sweeps were done away with as has berry and tattie picking.
The latter of which there was great debate about in the 50s when farmers in northeast Scotland complained that by reducing the autumn holidays they wouldn‘t be able to gather their crop. Hence the tattie fortnight in Dundee and Angus.

 

[shakey jake]

Isn‘t that the ultimate goal though, that no child should be forced/need to work to survive?
After all child chimney sweeps were done away with as has berry and tattie picking.
The latter of which there was great debate about in the 50s when farmers in northeast Scotland complained that by reducing the autumn holidays they wouldn‘t be able to gather their crop. Hence the tattie fortnight in Dundee and Angus.

not saying it shouldnt be an end goal but it takes time and money invested. its not as simple as banning from one supply chain through westernised ideals

 

[norcan]

We have had a BMW i3 for 4-5 years now.

Brilliant car! And saves us loads and loads of money each year in fuel costs.

50km back and forth each day for work.
Petrol is £1,7 pr liter.

 

[LuckyEddie]

not saying it shouldnt be an end goal but it takes time and money invested. its not as simple as banning from one supply chain through westernised ideals

How about banning trophy hunting? Is that not a westernised standard?

 

[Foxyboy43]

How about banning trophy hunting? Is that not a westernised standard?

Hmm - bit of a segue but on the trophy ban thingie - but in these apparently unenlightened times if one were to identify as a lion/buffalo/wildebeest/kudu etc. would it not be reasonable to argue that the ahem, trophy is actually your sadly departed dear old pal/boyfriend/girlfriend or LGBT et al whom/which you cherish beyond words and wish to retain as an almost life-like memorial to that special relationship? In view of the recent headlines dog owners in Australia would not qualify - ever!
Asking for a friend of course….

 

[Pedro]

The answer to global warming is in the hands of Heinz. If baked beans were banned, the gases that cause global warming would be halved immediately.

 

[Foxyboy43]

The answer to global warming is in the hands of Heinz. If baked beans were banned, the gases that cause global warming would be halved immediately.

You know there are times, special times, perhaps even once in a generation times, which occur soooo very rarely, when the minds and thoughts so eloquently expressed of the SD collective simply stun me. Obviously this is not one of them!

 

[LuckyEddie]

You know there are times, special times, perhaps even once in a generation times, which occur soooo very rarely, when the minds and thoughts so eloquently expressed of the SD collective simply stun me. Obviously this is not one of them!

Long live Johnny Farts Pants from Viz and Thunderpants the film

 

[shakey jake]

How about banning trophy hunting? Is that not a westernised standard?

it seems like you just want to argue, im fine with trophy hunting children, saves them working in a cobalt mine. you can take trophy hunting children two ways im not fussed which you chose

 

[Morkai]

We have had a BMW i3 for 4-5 years now.

Brilliant car! And saves us loads and loads of money each year in fuel costs.

50km back and forth each day for work.
Petrol is £1,7 pr liter.

Its still £30k for a car that does around 140miles on a charge.

It'll save you in the long run as you say but I dont think I could bring myself to invest in an EV.

For something that would suit me it's either going to be £40k to £50k which is too expensive and I dont like having cars on tick or £30k for a car thats the size of a shoe. Neither are an option.

 

[LuckyEddie]

it seems like you just want to argue, im fine with trophy hunting children, saves them working in a cobalt mine. you can take trophy hunting children two ways im not fussed which you chose

The point I am trying to make is that whatever Westerners or white people have done has always ended up forcing their views and/or enslaving the local people.
Slavery, religion, how to look after their wildlife, exploitation of whatever resources the country had / has.

 

[enfieldspares]

I filled up with petrol yesterday at a local service station that had one of these electric charging pay to charge stations. It had two cables so two cars could be charged at once. I asked the guy at the cash desk how long it took to charge an average car. He told me ninety minutes! I was in, and out, with my petrol car in under nine minutes.

 

[shakey jake]

The point I am trying to make is that whatever Westerners or white people have done has always ended up forcing their views and/or enslaving the local people.
Slavery, religion, how to look after their wildlife, exploitation of whatever resources the country had / has.

ok

 

[Heym SR20]

There are lots of clever people, doing lots of really interesting developments on new technologies.

I went to the Goodwood Revival a few weeks ago. A fantastic day out watching old racing cars - from 1930’s Le Mans up to late 1960s / early 1970s - being raced hard.

Many using sustainable produced liquid fuels.

There was a stand which showed a beautiful 1960’s Maserati that had been converted to EV. General consensus was that this was sacrilege and that there is a special place in hell for whomever had done this.

EV will have its place - in the inner cities in small cars and bikes where you are doing short stop start type journeys - ideal for such.

Also ideal for things like a farm quad or pickup, or the car for running down to local town etc. A bank of solar on a roof and charge the thing up once every few days.

EV makes little sense for long distance travel, nor for HGVs. It only works if you can supply the power through tracks or over head lines. But even, to run Europes HgV fleet on EV over 100 new nuclear Power stations are needed to be built.

Challenge with Hydrogen is that fundamentally you are using a lot of energy to produce the Hydrogen.

We would do much better to stop using hydrocarbons to heat buildings. Keep them for transport use. And use the power from renewables in buildings.

And make the standard of British buildings up to the standard of those overseas. UK housing stock is appalling and very expensive to buy and heat. Even most new build is utterly crap.

 

[norcan]

He told me ninety minutes! I was in, and out, with my petrol car in under nine minutes.

That must be from 0-100%.. or a car without rapid charging.

On long trips, we usually charge for 15-20min while we walk the dog or buy something to eat.

 

[Donkey Basher]

UK inventor converts diesel engine to run on hydrogen with zero emissions

A UK inventor claims to have developed a zero-emissions hydrogen fuel system that can be applied to any diesel or petrol engine, with the support of Innovate UK.

forecourttrader.co.uk

 

[Scotty99]

I predict in years to come our roads and streets will look like Cuba. Full of 50 year old petrol and diesel powered cars kept on the road by a network of small local garages and workshops with a cottage industry making spare parts. Look at the Land Rover Defender (old type) as an example.

 

[Jon P]

I predict in years to come our roads and streets will look like Cuba. Full of 50 year old petrol and diesel powered cars kept on the road by a network of small local garages and workshops with a cottage industry making spare parts. Look at the Land Rover Defender (old type) as an example.

It looks like that where I live now

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I just ran my car through the local car wash and a big sign on the wall stated that all Tesla vehicles will be washed only at the car owners risk.

 

[Heym SR20]

There needs to be some very major change in thinking. At the moment most of our Energy industry is owned by large corporates, most of which are overseas owned. Fundamentally they have one purpose and that is to drive profit out of consumers.

But go back a few decades and power generation was locally owned - yes some private owned, but a lot by village, town or city corporations.

We need to go back to thinking about local generation. With house and car being fundamental units.

With the house you solar, and heat pumps - all pretty cheap and affordable. An EV acts as fantastic buffer and battery. So do well insulated hot water tanks. When at home plug car in - it can soak lots of excess power from the solar cells, or can be charged from mains supplied power - especially acting as a buffer when there is an oversupply of mains power.

Programming the car charging to pick up low cost power or excess power is pretty simple enough. And when its full some of that power can flow back into the house.

Yes some do commute long distances daily, but for most a 20 or 30 mile range is plenty. Simple enough for the car to soak up cheap power, then give it back to you during the expensive evening power but leaving enough fir tomorrow’s journeys.

Most of us object to wind turbines on grounds of aesthetics noise etc. and that they are being planted a long way away from where the power is being used.

But if you as part of the community funded, owned and benefited from cheap power - whats not to like.

The fly in the ointment are the utilities and the stranglehold they have on the market.

It seems nuts to me that to charge your car from your own solar panels you need to sell that power and then buy it back.

The utilities should be there to provide supplemental power where your own and local generation doesn’t cover it.