Dedicated PRS rifle ?

[NullMac]

There seems to be moves towards various flavours of 6mm.
Regards
JCS

High BC 6mm at higher velocity than a 65 gives less drop and drift, not to mention less recoil. So easier to shoot and spot the hits

 

[tackb]

High BC 6mm at higher velocity than a 65 gives less drop and drift, not to mention less recoil. So easier to shoot and spot the hits

Splash depends on the backstop , 6mm does not give the signature 6.5 does on boggy heathland (wales)

 

[MarinePMI]

Been involved in steel plate target shooting from the onset - in fact the “staffers” at UK Varminting arranged the very first comp in the uk at WMS long before it was a “cool and hip thing” to be involved in

The competitive scene has come a long way since then

Tactical rifles were common along the lines of rem repeater with mac A5 or AI Aw / DTA etc etc in fact folk shot that comp and the Mendip Quarry challenges (which followed with whatever that worked for them)

Think Snipers Hide Cup as the basis of what we’re were doing back then

I used a Blaser Tac 2 and won the comp at WMS - it was in 308

Comps today - have “evolved” just in the way that F Class has

If you want to be anywhere near competitive you need a “game gun” and have the ability to balance quickly on a large bag

Your game gun need to be low recoiling and heavy (to reduce recoil further) , balance just in front of the mag well and it’s common for such things to be status symbols - with folk changing or getting the “next bestest ever” cartridge annually instead of using what they’ve got and mastering it

If you are agile and mobile and can balance the rifle effectively whilst acquiring targets you will do well

There are some hugely gifted shots in the “scene” who have done well consistently across many years

The common factor in all this is - if you want to be competitive you need to have a game gun dedicated to the cause and practice (a lot)

If you want to enjoy the sport and have fun without pressure get a rifle in a 6, 6.5 mm calibre that can take ten round mags use the stock that it comes with and get on with participating

You can add to the rifle as and when

Your choice of venue is either South wales to the PRS UK venue (the centre of competitiveness)

Or in the Send it Series at Eskdalemuir which is as you know a challenging venue

Both sites offer unique features with Eskdalemuir having a more attached dynamic to the original style of competition (some natural features, movement, less focussed on “get to the prop, put a bag on it, balance the gun, shoot, move on”

Let’s not forget the ethos of the comps is skill, development and maintainence of the same

Skills start with rifle fundamentals and if not maintained will be lost

Choose something suitable - use it and enjoy

Plenty out there to consider and unless you really want something built there are plenty of factory offerings that will get you going

Everything Ronin said.... (coming from someone that used to compete at Sniper's Hide Cup and other National level PRS/NRL comps).

 

[MarinePMI]

Just to add.. Bisley is now online with PRS.

First match in December.. multiple planned for next year.

Finally!!!

 

[MarinePMI]

If 34 mils in a turret could take a .308 out to 900yds, Add in a 20 mil / moa rail what would you expect to get?

A .308 is a serious disadvantage for PRS; the 6.5CM would be a much better option. I remember when I screwed on my first 6.5 CM barrel, and everyone at the long range matches were looking at my wind calls with a raised eyebrow. It was like cheating, going up against .308's...especially out past 850yds. Wasn't long before half the club was running a 6.5CM of some sort.

 

[MarinePMI]

The key is to practice (a lot) with various positions and heights. You can accomplish a lot of training, just dry firing in the backyard. If you have a timer, time yourself getting into position and on target (start 5yds back from the prop). At first it will probably take 25-30secs. But as you practice, you should start to see that time go down. 15 secs will competitive at the club level. 7 seconds should be your goal though. If you can get into (and out of) position in that amount of time (while maintaining good fundamentals), then the rest is wind calls and a little bit of familiarity with your gear (like trusting your reticle for "no dial" stages, and basic strategy of target engagement, and mental process). At 7 seconds, you'll likely be finishing in the top ten if you can make well aimed shots. Learn your "wobble zone", and work at each position to shrink that wobble down to something manageable.

For practice (and at the club if you want to take it), build one of these:



The various angles, surfaces (round bar, flat top), tight spaces, etc. will help you better understand how to place the rifle onto the prop, and quickly. "Economy of movement" is key. No wasted movement.

HTH a little...

These days I'm too old to move fast enough to be competitive, as well as too broken.

ETA: And an IOTA device of some sort helps a lot with dry firing (changes the focus of the scope to support close in, say 15yds, targets).

 

[MarinePMI]

As to chassis, most will work, and while balance is important, it is not the end all, be all, of the equation. Everything is a trade off. Heavy and balanced is a trade off for nimble and quick (like pulling a rifle from one shooting window to the next for example). Length of barrel is a factor as well. Some prefer26" for the velocity gain, while most prefer 24" as a good medium. If not shooting past 1200yds (most courses average between 400 and 600yds range for most targets, with just a few way out there) then consider (if shooting 6.5CM) dropping to a 130gr bullet. It's a good trade off between speed and BC.

I've used many chassis and actions; they all get the job done if you have trained well with your gear.



There's a lot of ways to skin this cat, but ultimately the thing you most need in a rifle chassis is adjustability. It needs to be able to be made to fit you. Your length of pull, your stock weld, your cant; it all matters when you are trying to get into position quickly. Chassis have come a long way since when they first came out (I still have an XLR chassis from back then, and it is practically an antique by today's standards; but at the time, it was an absolute game changer). An ARCA rail os almost mandatory these days BTW.

Also, learn to shoot (well) from a tripod; it is a very practical and valuable skill to have in PRS as well as hunting. Practice clipped in, as well as off an inverted bag over the apex.

 

[jcalleja91]

A .308 is a serious disadvantage for PRS; the 6.5CM would be a much better option. I remember when I screwed on my first 6.5 CM barrel, and everyone at the long range matches were looking at my wind calls with a raised eyebrow. It was like cheating, going up against .308's...especially out past 850yds. Wasn't long before half the club was running a 6.5CM of some sort.

.308 is a disadvantage.. but that's why there is Tactical and Limited divisions in both PRS and GBPRA.

But yes.. compared to some of the wind calls a couple of matches back from people running 6mm and 6.5mm.. they were just about pushing over 1MIL.. I was nearer 4MIL

 

[Rusty Gate]

Some excellent comments, the only point that I would add is that PRS .22 is a cheaper way to dip your toe in the water and there are number of venues supporting PRS .22.

Regards

JCS

Think Brian at Proshoot - South Wales is running 22 PRS also

 

[finnbear270]

A .308 is a serious disadvantage for PRS; the 6.5CM would be a much better option. I remember when I screwed on my first 6.5 CM barrel, and everyone at the long range matches were looking at my wind calls with a raised eyebrow. It was like cheating, going up against .308's...especially out past 850yds. Wasn't long before half the club was running a 6.5CM of some sort.

I just plucked the .308 example from the ether, I am thinking more of another 6.5PRC in aTikka short / medium action, I am a total beginner in the turret twiddling arena , I have always been used to a bit of Kentucky windage, but now my interest is growing in a proper learning of the use of m.o.a. reticles and such. (Think new recruit first week on The Big Sandy)

 

[tackb]

I just plucked the .308 example from the ether, I am thinking more of another 6.5PRC in aTikka short / medium action, I am a total beginner in the turret twiddling arena , I have always been used to a bit of Kentucky windage, but now my interest is growing in a proper learning of the use of m.o.a. reticles and such. (Think new recruit first week on The Big Sandy)

the PRC is a little lively for PRS and to be honest unnecessary , look around 6mm/6.5mm creedmoor performance

you'd be surprised how much 'kentucky' windage and elevation is used in PRS , it's why it is so important to have a graduated reticule that matches your turrets , make corrections so easy if you see your splash and you can either apply it to your turrets or use the reticule to aim off , also with multi distance stages aiming off is easier to save turret twiddling between distances

 

[MarinePMI]

I just plucked the .308 example from the ether, I am thinking more of another 6.5PRC in aTikka short / medium action, I am a total beginner in the turret twiddling arena , I have always been used to a bit of Kentucky windage, but now my interest is growing in a proper learning of the use of m.o.a. reticles and such. (Think new recruit first week on The Big Sandy)

I highly recommend that you go to Mils based scope. The base 10 system is much easier to do the math in your head (under stress), as well as using the "mph gun" wind call method.

6.5PRC is a fine cartridge, but not one that is used very often in PRS. There's too much recoil to spot your own splash, which is a significant disadvantage. Were I you, I'd strongly consider a 6.5CM. At least that way, you could use similar (if not identical) bullets between the two.

 

[bowji john]

Mills for me too

6.5 creed is just fine

For cheap practice, you can do a lot worse that thousands of rounds of .22LR at 50 to 200m

Master .22LR at those ranges and you have all the skills for centre fire out to 1000+

Ballistics, drops, wind calls, breathing trigger control and positioning - it’s all there with the humble .22LR

 

[finnbear270]

Will this reticle suffice for a start.... As for practice on .22, I used to have a great time as a youth chasing empty cotton reels along the river bank, sending them further & further out, till they either blew up or ricochet into the river.

 

[scotch_egg]

View attachment 336129 Will this reticle suffice for a start.... As for practice on .22, I used to have a great time as a youth chasing empty cotton reels along the river bank, sending them further & further out, till they either blew up or ricochet into the river.

That’s a mil based reticle. The bushnell scope you have will have mil based turrets that match the subtensions on the reticle.

What is meant by practice with the .22 is getting used to dialing and shooting from different positions. Far cheaper than turning up at a comp and sending 100 rounds of centre fire ammunition down range and not connecting with the targets and becoming disillusioned by it all.

 

[finnbear270]

I have started to use the reticles recently, (never been a long range target shooter, & always been able to get close enough for deer & fox to use standard x hairs),.
Most recent was pairing ammunition to actual fall of shot in relation to hash / dot markings, 6.5PRC factory rounds @ pic one Eskdale results.
Pic two a little reference reading on manufacturers web.
.In effect, back to skool.

 

[Rory]

If 34 mils in a turret could take a .308 out to 900yds, Add in a 20 mil / moa rail what would you expect to get?

20moa is about 6mil, 30moa about 9mil.
TBH, 13mil should get a .308 round out to 900m, provided it can adjust all the way to 13mil. This is where a 20moa rail helps, if a zero at 100m means that the scope internals are already halfway, then you can at least make full use of the internal adjustment.

A scope with 34mils of adjustment shouldn't need a 20 or 30moa rail to get a .308 round out to 900yds.

 

[Ronin]

Your looking at using 7 mil to get you to 1000 with a 6 mm using 115 Dtac for instance and circa 8.3 mil with a 6.5 mm and 140 g class


You don’t “need” the incline rail if you have 34 mil of ajustment

Even if the scope Ret isn’t centred you still have a wide margin to play with

 

[SCB]

Just to add.. Bisley is now online with PRS.

First match in December.. multiple planned for next year.

Hi. So what requirements do Bisley have to shoot the comps ie being a member of NRA, SCC etc They have never seemed to advertise PRS on their website, in the events section, news, nothing - even the Hornady hustle if February this year. It’s like it’s Voldemort.
Be good to know
Thanks
SCB

 

[SCB]

Another recommendation for Josh at C2 Precision. I bought a T3x CTR in 6.5 Creedmoor and put it in an XLR Envy Pro Chassis. Took it out for the first time yesterday and was shooting half-MOA groups. The next C2 Precision competition is on 29th December. It'll be my first, possibly see you there?

Hi.
Thanks for sharing. Like the look of the CTR. So I’d be interested to know why he thought tikka rather than an offering from bergara like an HMR with its 700 footprint?
Ps does Josh sell Tikkas’?
Thanks
SCB