Licensing query
- Thread starter Wilkesy
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Ask some kind soul on here who is nearby to take you out to shoot 5 deer!
Are you a member of BASC or similar organisation? If not you need to join and raise your problems with their legal team.
It appears Glos are inventing their own rules which are totally unreasonable.
If you are a member of a gun club and use a .22lr then that should be enough. You say you have perms on grounds so you haveland. Cannot see why they are refusing .22lr.
You would be advise to do DSC 1.
There is a good guide advertising on here in Glos who can offer deer stalks at a reasonable price. If you pm me I will pass on his details.
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It appears Glos are inventing their own rules which are totally unreasonable.
If you are a member of a gun club and use a .22lr then that should be enough. You say you have perms on grounds so you haveland. Cannot see why they are refusing .22lr.
You would be advise to do DSC 1.
There is a good guide advertising on here in Glos who can offer deer stalks at a reasonable price. If you pm me I will pass on his details.
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Wilkesy
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Yeah I definitely agree with the experience side of it, even if it is frustrating it will be worth it in the long run!
The knowledge I'm learning on the paid stalks I've been on is invaluable too! So I feel a lot more confident about going out on my own when I do get my FAC.
Additionally I have met some great people through paid stalks so I am happy with it.
Wilkesy
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I have done 3 paid stalks so far, 2 successful! 2 with a .243 and the other with a .270
Wilkesy
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Yeah I am a member of the NGO for insurance purposes, I have looked into doing their DSC course but the local ones have all been fully booked!
That membership is about to expire and I have been considering swapping to BASC. Is the extra cost worth it?
That would be fantastic thank you, Pm'd!
Corinium range must be relatively close to you and Paul does the DSC1.
If the 3 days is a deal breaker you can study and home and just do the assessment day.
Wilkesy
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Ah yeah, I have actually done some roe stalking with Nick (Redcoat) and he is a top bloke! He was injured at the time so I went out with his son Charlie who again is a top bloke! Had a cracking evening, learnt lots! Unfortunately there was no shot on a deer but just means I will have to go back at some point ayy!
I am in Cheltenham!
Wilkesy
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Good shout! I didn't actually know about this place but it is close by and looks good!
I will have to pull my finger out and get the DSC booked!
I did mine with Paul, it was a good couple of days
Wilkesy
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Awesome! Thanks for the recommendation!I did mine with Paul, it was a good couple of days
Just a reminder if not already noted, when you you fill in your FAC application include target shooting and zeroing on approved ranges and land deemed safe for the purpose.
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And do not forget a moderator !!
MAH
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There are advantages to using an "estate rifle".
One of which it will be the zero set for the terrain you are on.
But there is a lot of pleasure and advantages to be gained from owning your own rifle.
Probably the most important one being the opportunity to practice, and practice a bit more.
Do you intend to join a range?
A 270 is great for large deer.
But if farms near you are flat, without large deer, you may find it tricky to get a permission suitable for a 270.
A 243 is great for small deer, AND local foxes!
On the flip side, if your shooting is limited to a few paid stalks each year, with no opportunity to practice, then IMHO staying with the "estate rifle" is the best way forward for now.
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Livestock don't react any differently to an unmoderated shot than they do to a moderated shot.This is a good one, but doesn't carry a lot of legal (read: liability) weight. The golden reason for a moderator that's never failed us before is the presence of livestock
If old lady Jones makes a noise complaint and the local constabulary had previously refused a moderator, she's not likely to drag the constabulary into a serious legal battle between the shooter and herself or anyone else
But... If farmer Jones end up euthanizing his prize stud bull (one just sold here for £184,000) because it got wrapped in a fence and drowned in the ditch... you get my point
Ewes can lose their lambs (£135-300 a head a market) from a fright..
Where I shot as a kid had neighboring fields with race horses (circa £20-30k a piece with ankles i could swear were only as strong as champaign flutes) at one end of the land and a riding school with little 10 year olds having rising lessons in front of their rich and well connected parents.. god forbid one of them fell from a horse due to a gunshot
I've never once had an FEO even so much as hint at questioning a moderator to protect livestock
Good luck with the application! Be patient
Wilkesy
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Thankyou for all the tips guys!
I will definitely be including a request for a moderator for both the .22 and .243 when I apply again. The land I shoot has horses so as little disturbance the better!
I also Included on my last application about going to a local range to zero and target shoot which I will be doing anyway as I enjoy shooting in general!
I think for now I shall stay with the idea of a .243 as my main rifle, the local shooting i have available to me will be small deer and foxes. I am more than happy to use an estate rifle however if I had my own it would open the door to a lot more opportunity and I would be using it very often.
Sometimes it feels like catch 22 as without a rifle I'd struggle to get deer/fox permissions or a place in a syndicate. But in order to get a rifle I need more permissions/land to shoot on! But I guess its all part of the process and it'll make the end result so much sweeter!
I will definitely be including a request for a moderator for both the .22 and .243 when I apply again. The land I shoot has horses so as little disturbance the better!
I also Included on my last application about going to a local range to zero and target shoot which I will be doing anyway as I enjoy shooting in general!
I think for now I shall stay with the idea of a .243 as my main rifle, the local shooting i have available to me will be small deer and foxes. I am more than happy to use an estate rifle however if I had my own it would open the door to a lot more opportunity and I would be using it very often.
Sometimes it feels like catch 22 as without a rifle I'd struggle to get deer/fox permissions or a place in a syndicate. But in order to get a rifle I need more permissions/land to shoot on! But I guess its all part of the process and it'll make the end result so much sweeter!
I've read this thread with interest as I recently applied for 243 for deer. A new permission has deer that he wants controlled alongside foxes for his sheep concerns. Having had a 223 for at least 8 years or so I thought it would be a relatively straight forward exercise for the other cf calibre. Having been stalking with some friends I also have some experience, limited yes but experience.
Long story (14 months) short was told that a DSC1 is 'expected' prior to the variation grant for the deer calibre. This was queried and challenged as there is no legislation that states you must have DSC1.
BASC contacted and also challenged...end result is a DSC1 is 'expected' by 99% of forces therefore variation not approved until the 'insisted' DSC1 is completed.
Make of that what you will.
Sitting a 3 day course isn't a great option with my work so I'll be doing the online DSC1 with Jelen Deer.
Long story (14 months) short was told that a DSC1 is 'expected' prior to the variation grant for the deer calibre. This was queried and challenged as there is no legislation that states you must have DSC1.
BASC contacted and also challenged...end result is a DSC1 is 'expected' by 99% of forces therefore variation not approved until the 'insisted' DSC1 is completed.
Make of that what you will.
Sitting a 3 day course isn't a great option with my work so I'll be doing the online DSC1 with Jelen Deer.
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