Tully vs Perdix vs DOC150 traps

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mudman said:
Quite a few to be honest. Grouse moors are running them extensively. Lowland reared game shoots tend to run few traps at all these days, it’s all rifle work with possibly som cage trapping of corvids. I would imagine low ground wild birds shoots are running trap lines with the new traps, but low ground wild bird shoots are few and far between.
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For me the lack of true wild bird shoots on the lowlands is a major reason why pheasant/partridge shooting gets so much bad publicity.
To have a successful wild bird shoot habitat and pest control are the two major factors and keepers need to be on top of their game.
You wouldn't see many dead birds in laybys if the efforts were known to get a shootable surplus.
 
Cullachie said:
I guess if you baited a Fenn Mark 4 with rabbit on a grouse moor with no trees around, you would not have much of a defence. But if you used peanut butter (on the edge of woodland where there were squirrels) and you happened to catch a stoat then you'd be totally safe.
Surely it all comes down to intent and probability.
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I'm not sure anymore.... my Fenn MK4 traps are all in boxes, with baffles inside set up at waist height on two poles with a plank across, baited with wheat, all by the pheasant feeders, I thought I was in the clear, but I don't think I am. We have hardly any rabbits and the stoat population is so low I couldn't tell you when I last spotted one.
 
baguio said:
Yes I have so I know as a fact that you're making stuff up. Don't let that bother you though. You're in good company on here. What do you think the big shoots like, Sandringham, Windsor or Holkham do? They employ a team of keepers who's job is to control predators and Fenns are illegal now so they obviously run DOCs etc. Several wild bird shoots around me also rely on predator control. The advantage of DOCs and Tullys is that you don't have to check the traps every 24hrs making them a viable option for the part time keepers as well as the big estates that use them in huge numbers. I appreciate that you live in Yorkshire so how could you know what is going on down south with any real knowledge. In which case it's probably better to keep your powder dry don't you think?
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Did you even read my first post properly? I clearly stated “I would imagine low ground wild birds shoots are running trap lines with the new traps, but low ground wild bird shoots are few and far between.”

If helps I will clarify further….few and far between compared to those low ground shoots relying on reared game. Or do you disagree with that too and think I am making that up as well?
 
mudman said:
Did you even read my first post properly? I clearly stated “I would imagine low ground wild birds shoots are running trap lines with the new traps, but low ground wild bird shoots are few and far between.”

If helps I will clarify further….few and far between compared to those low ground shoots relying on reared game. Or do you disagree with that too and think I am making that up as well?
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If that isn't a selective cut out of all of the rubbish, I don't know what is. If we all cut out stuff like you have we could make our posts read anything that we liked. We can all read your previous post so don't take us all for idiots.

For the record I have cut and pasted your posts below so even your typos are included.
Your post #6 states in total "From what I have seen only the grouse moor keepers are running them in large numbers. From what I understand they are very effective, and certainly give flat stoats"

#11 states "Grouse moors are running them extensively. Lowland reared game shoots tend to run few traps at all these days, it’s all rifle work with possibly som cage trapping of corvids. I would imagine low ground wild birds shoots are running trap lines with the new traps, but low ground wild bird shoots are few and far between."

Now, please stop as you're embarrassing yourself!
 
Cullachie said:
I guess if you baited a Fenn Mark 4 with rabbit on a grouse moor with no trees around, you would not have much of a defence. But if you used peanut butter (on the edge of woodland where there were squirrels) and you happened to catch a stoat then you'd be totally safe.
Surely it all comes down to intent and probability.
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Not at all. putting peanut butter in the trap would not prevent stoats from having a look so would be illegal.
 
Camdig said:
For me the lack of true wild bird shoots on the lowlands is a major reason why pheasant/partridge shooting gets so much bad publicity.
To have a successful wild bird shoot habitat and pest control are the two major factors and keepers need to be on top of their game.
You wouldn't see many dead birds in laybys if the efforts were known to get a shootable surplus.
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Only you don't see many dead birds in laybys. That's a myth. Again, someone from up North talking about what goes on in the South as if it's fact! :lol: It wouldn't surprise me if the photos that you do see are of pheasants placed there by antis. It doesn't take much to fool the foolish though.
There are thousands of small shoots across the lands run by part time keepers and they make up millions of acres. They go out on a Saturday and shoot 20-30 birds. The antis attack them all, regardless because people are killing things.
 
@baguio
Stoats are strictly carnivores and very selective ones too. They wouldn't even look at peanut butter, ever.
On the other hand, grey squirrels go mad for the stuff. So. placing a Fenn with peanut butter in an environment with trees, a judge and jury would never convict you on the charge of knowingly intending to trap stoats. Give the legal system credit.

Mind you. using rabbit bait on a Fenn in a rail trap setting would be risking it.
 
baguio said:
If that isn't a selective cut out of all of the rubbish, I don't know what is. If we all cut out stuff like you have we could make our posts read anything that we liked. We can all read your previous post so don't take us all for idiots.

For the record I have cut and pasted your posts below so even your typos are included.
Your post #6 states in total "From what I have seen only the grouse moor keepers are running them in large numbers. From what I understand they are very effective, and certainly give flat stoats"

#11 states "Grouse moors are running them extensively. Lowland reared game shoots tend to run few traps at all these days, it’s all rifle work with possibly som cage trapping of corvids. I would imagine low ground wild birds shoots are running trap lines with the new traps, but low ground wild bird shoots are few and far between."

Now, please stop as you're embarrassing yourself!
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I am going to have to ask you what exactly your problem is with what I have posted? I may be mistaken but you appear to be accusing me of lying ? Is that your issue? And if so, lying about what exactly? I seemed to have touched a nerve with you but I am struggling to see why.
 
Grow up, man up Baguio. If all you can do is stick on an emoji without having the decency to spend a few seconds to write a response to justify your accusations, then it just demonstrates to me that you cannot justify them. You nothing to back them up.
 
mudman said:
Grow up, man up Baguio. If all you can do is stick on an emoji without having the decency to spend a few seconds to write a response to justify your accusations, then it just demonstrates to me that you cannot justify them. You nothing to back them up.
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OK. You were lying! It's plain for us all to see. You can back track all you like but you were talking out of your rear end and I called you out. Don't feel bad though as you're in good company on here. Happy now? :tiphat:
 
Cullachie said:
@baguio
Stoats are strictly carnivores and very selective ones too. They wouldn't even look at peanut butter, ever.
On the other hand, grey squirrels go mad for the stuff. So. placing a Fenn with peanut butter in an environment with trees, a judge and jury would never convict you on the charge of knowingly intending to trap stoats. Give the legal system credit.

Mind you. using rabbit bait on a Fenn in a rail trap setting would be risking it.
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No one said that stoats would be attracted to Peanut butter. They are however attracted to holes in wood. The law doesn't require you to prove that you knowingly intended to catch stoats.

The law is this: Traps must be set in a tunnel ‘suitable for the purpose’, which means species like stoat, for which the trap is not approved, must not be put at risk. We think this will be difficult to achieve in many circumstances where the use of these traps would otherwise be lawful; we therefore encourage trappers to assess the risk and embrace change.

Cullachie, I think that you need to check the facts before making bold statements about judges and jury's, don't you?
 
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Buckaroo8 said:
Looks like a yes then for Fenn traps on rats.
What if I accidentally catch a stoat though? 🤔
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If you're so much as putting a stoat at risk, you're breaking the law. That is clearly written in the guidance. You don't need to catch one.
 
baguio said:
If you're so much as putting a stoat at risk, you're breaking the law. That is clearly written in the guidance. You don't need to catch one.
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So I can’t ever set a Fenn trap anywhere ever again?
Nowhere outdoors is stoat proof is it?
 
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