Do you think that the current shooting test for the DSC1 qualification is suitable or sufficient?
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Speak to @Rookandrabbit. I think he was in a similar predicament when he did his DSC1 fairly recently.Excellent I'll look into it
ok you've dropped the beast ... be it muntjac , roe, red etc
id like to see as much emphasis on folk being pushed in a higher standard of field gralloch and lardering !
there said it...tinhat on !
I'm not talking about dmq level2 or the full shebang ... just an honest effort to show someone how to field gralloch then once back to larder sorting it for hanging...include skinning if you want .
I'm going to say a fair percentage of stuff i get in asking me to butcher and standard was so low .. i had to add a post to my social media pages stating that i reserved the right despite agreeing on principle to do a beast for someone to their requirements that, if i inspected back of their vehicle on arrival if i deemed not worthy of food chain , i reserve right to refuse .
*I've had a couple i wouldn't have used for dogfood never mind fed someone it... and they seemed shocked when i commented how bad i thought they were ..
good "husbandry" is as important as dropping the beast i think but many treat it as an afterthought
Paul ( tinhat on )
id like to see as much emphasis on folk being pushed in a higher standard of field gralloch and lardering !
there said it...tinhat on !
I'm not talking about dmq level2 or the full shebang ... just an honest effort to show someone how to field gralloch then once back to larder sorting it for hanging...include skinning if you want .
I'm going to say a fair percentage of stuff i get in asking me to butcher and standard was so low .. i had to add a post to my social media pages stating that i reserved the right despite agreeing on principle to do a beast for someone to their requirements that, if i inspected back of their vehicle on arrival if i deemed not worthy of food chain , i reserve right to refuse .
*I've had a couple i wouldn't have used for dogfood never mind fed someone it... and they seemed shocked when i commented how bad i thought they were ..
good "husbandry" is as important as dropping the beast i think but many treat it as an afterthought
Paul ( tinhat on )
bottletopbill
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I feel that gralloch should be a part of the DSC1 as it is ok to shoot but we need t know how to prepare our food
A lot of learnt skills are not in place from what I have read as it is quite obvious people have by-passed what many have been taught and just start with deer.
As a kid the basic skills were shown how to pluck pigeons duck pheasants geese gut and skin rabbits hares. Being carful not to nick the main gut of a rabbit with your pen knife is just the same mess if you do on anything bigger!
bottletopbill
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Tim I think you or some one needs to do a course on all of the matter's in different areas of country.
Not all of us have had your hands on training
Not all of us have had your hands on training
Yes I agree to a point but as this is about the DSC1 quals so those who drive/attend to their course learnt to drive via lessons and had to start from scratch, you would have the 123's also ABC's under you belt, be of an age to be allowed to start the course have applied for the test papers read up on what was required.Tim I think you or some one needs to do a course on all of the matter's in different areas of country.
Not all of us have had your hands on training
I learnt to dive being a poor swimmer but I could swim to pass but turn up an want to learn to dive and cant swim then you will be going back to learn then come back.
Latter on I added hrs in the pool so I could meet the requirements to pass my dive master cert then an instructor then a dive guide in Egypt.
bottletopbill
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Yes and with your photo's and write ups you are helping to instruct us newbies cheers
That was all covered in considerable detail when I did my DSC1, including demo on a freshly shot deer. And I think it should be included as standard for all DSC1 courses.
I absolutely agree with you that carcass presentation standards are absolutely appalling on the whole. And then people wonder why Game Dealers won't pay much....
Mmm! I have a difficultly sitting on flat ground and shooting, so much so there's a possibility of dislocation of a hip. I am fine if I can sit on a bank with my legs down hill. We are tested yearly and explained this and have done so for the past several years. This year they were gearing up to remove my work firearm saying I hadn't completed the test. So it raises several questions, one of them being is the test fit for purpose because the only time when I sit down to shoot is during the rut when I am going to do a bit of calling and obviously I select a suitable location
If you have a known medical problem then to not accommodate you by some form of modification to the test is discrimination.
Deerkeeper2
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The Assessor and/or Range Conducting Officer can, and should, make ‘reasonable adjustments’ to accommodate injuries or disabilities. Having said this, the assessment criteria must still be met. The typical situation is when a person can’t get in the prone position to shoot the 100m phase. A simulated high seat (not a bench rest with bags etc!) can be used, a sitting or kneeling position could be used or the person could be allowed to shoot off sticks. None of these adjustments should give obvious disadvantages or advantages other than the simple ability to complete the assessment. Candidates without injury or disability must follow the normal protocols and can’t elect to do something different.
My point exactly.
For me those standards are fine, anyone responsibly shooting knows you only take shots you're confident and capable of landing, as with using shooting aids, I personally wouldn't take a shot without a bipod of I had a bipod with me 
fair enough making target shooting a challenge but on live quarry why not use every aid possible.
Those standards are to confirm a minimum capability rather than a marksman test.
I can shoot a fly off the back of an angry wasp from 8 miles away with a rimfire that should be the minimum!
fair enough making target shooting a challenge but on live quarry why not use every aid possible.Those standards are to confirm a minimum capability rather than a marksman test.
I can shoot a fly off the back of an angry wasp from 8 miles away with a rimfire
that should be the minimum!Dan Newcombe
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Because that’s a miss when you are aiming at what is actually quite a large target.
Recently i have been working with a big and well known estate close to where i live, all professionally keepered. I recently took carcasses form them following the start of their Roe Doe cull. In all honestly i was shocked and disgusted at the quality of the carcasses presented.
From gut shot beasts to poorly prepped carcass quality. Haunches split with what looked like multiple cuts from a blunt knife and contamination on the internals from mud during extraction on quad bikes.
These were all "DSC 1 trained hunters". All of the shot placements were at least 3 inches to the rear on chest shot beasts.
This along with the numerous recreational stalkers i have turned carcasses away from for gut shot beasts, all of which are supposedly DSC 1 trained.
If im honest i think the subject is broader than the DSC 1 shooting test. I think a lot of it is actually down to people being able to be competent marksman, not just at deer but all species, including vermin. You can get an FAC if you have good reason to own one, but no where in licensing does it stipulate that you need to have a basic level of training or marksmanship.
The number of videos and photos online of animals that have been shot badly, is frankly quite scary. I think there are some FAC holders who are incapable of a humane shot on any game. I have seen first hand people failing a the FC shooting test that have been shooting deer for many years, and ive seen people who cant pass these tests take shots at foxes passed 200m and cause injuries rather than clean kills.
Apologies if this seems a bit of a rant, but its something i have strong opinions about.
The short answer is no, i do not think the DSC 1 shooting assessment is suitable,
From gut shot beasts to poorly prepped carcass quality. Haunches split with what looked like multiple cuts from a blunt knife and contamination on the internals from mud during extraction on quad bikes.
These were all "DSC 1 trained hunters". All of the shot placements were at least 3 inches to the rear on chest shot beasts.
This along with the numerous recreational stalkers i have turned carcasses away from for gut shot beasts, all of which are supposedly DSC 1 trained.
If im honest i think the subject is broader than the DSC 1 shooting test. I think a lot of it is actually down to people being able to be competent marksman, not just at deer but all species, including vermin. You can get an FAC if you have good reason to own one, but no where in licensing does it stipulate that you need to have a basic level of training or marksmanship.
The number of videos and photos online of animals that have been shot badly, is frankly quite scary. I think there are some FAC holders who are incapable of a humane shot on any game. I have seen first hand people failing a the FC shooting test that have been shooting deer for many years, and ive seen people who cant pass these tests take shots at foxes passed 200m and cause injuries rather than clean kills.
Apologies if this seems a bit of a rant, but its something i have strong opinions about.
The short answer is no, i do not think the DSC 1 shooting assessment is suitable,
Dunwaters
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DSC1 represents the minimum acceptable standards expected for shooting deer and presenting them for entry to the human food chain, a large portion of the problem would vanish if the game dealers were more consistent and returned or charged for disposal of unsalable carcasses.
bottletopbill
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Only fault with DSC1 should have a deer to show a gralloch and examination of the gut.
This is my opinion only and feel i missed out on my course two years ago.
This is my opinion only and feel i missed out on my course two years ago.
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