Police missed a dog at 5 yards!!!!!!

Hot off the press this one chaps...My sister in law called this morning to tell us she had been woken by 10 police officers surrounding the house 2 doors down from her house. Its actually quite a nice street so it was a bit of a shock. One officer was leaning over the bonnet of her car with his rifle. They called for the occupant to come out but they didn’t...Then they let the dog out and one of the officers fired his carbine(or shotgun not sure) at it twice as it ran towards him...He missed with both shots and the dog turned tail and ran behind the house..Maybe he was a dog lover and just wanted to scare it off but his mates are going to give him some stick for that I recon. Apaprebntly the bust was linked to some armed robberies that have taken place around Cheshire so they had been told to shoot to kill if required...Not shoot to scare

 

[Paddy_SP]

Spot-on...

 

[Gazza]

Firearms Officers told to "shoot to kill if required not to shoot to scare" Who gave your sister in law that gem? Just does not happen.
Shotgun to remove hinges??
Ever heard the noise of a ram hitting a door to gain access. Could just sound like a couple of shots being fired.
Been on a good few early morning calls and this interpretation by your sister in law just does not add up but .........

 

[JAYB]

Come on people get a grip, these officers were there to do deal with suspected armed robbers, not the sort of people renowned for their negotiating skills or willingness to to open front doors when they get knocked on. When you are in a situation like that all attention is focused on a safe and efficient solution to the task in hand and messing about trying to subdue a vicious dog with a biscuit or a slap with an ASP causes officers to take their attention of the targets. This in turn provides the target with the opportunity to escape or even cause harm to the officers concerned, so the efficient safe way is to eliminate the immediate threat, the dog in this case by shooting it.

As it happens in this case the dog was not shot but frightened enough to run away, and before everyone starts laughing about missing a target 5 yards away remember this is not a paper target, the shooter was not able to take his time aiming, it was a, presumably, fast moving dog, very close and getting closer, everyone on here would of course shot it straight between the eyes no bother at all. On top of that consider what happens to the dog now? chances are it will be placed in kennels until a court can decide it's fate as on the face of it there appears to be grounds for an allegation of a dangerous dog.

I remember an incident years ago when a dog, a Rotweiler, was shot during a raid on a house and the dog attacked. There was a huge internal investigation into it including a Post Mortem on the dog!

As usual in any contentious thread like this far too much "considered" opinion offered when not in possession of all the facts. These things are best left as just reported on until all of the information is in the public domain.

John

 

[Dougster]

I can't believe this. I normally don't rise but

1: ARMED robber

2: Attack dog.

Knock gently on the door by local bobby and play with the dog?

If the dog is meant for that it would likely have to be destroyed when the less than lawful goes away for Her Majesty's pleasure anyway so don't bugger about with the nicely nicely. Another public servant being valued lower than a badly treated mutt?

I've been bitten by a setter that was hurt and scared and lightly lashed out. I'd use both barrels on one of the big dogs coming at me, likely at the same time. The armed robber would shortly after lose his front door and be read his rights with a couple of semi autos pointed at him.

Why should those not guilty take the risk?

Edit - +1 for previous post, I was typing when it went up.

 

[timbrayford]

Come on people get a grip, these officers were there to do deal with suspected armed robbers, not the sort of people renowned for their negotiating skills or willingness to to open front doors when they get knocked on. When you are in a situation like that all attention is focused on a safe and efficient solution to the task in hand and messing about trying to subdue a vicious dog with a biscuit or a slap with an ASP causes officers to take their attention of the targets. This in turn provides the target with the opportunity to escape or even cause harm to the officers concerned, so the efficient safe way is to eliminate the immediate threat, the dog in this case by shooting it.

As it happens in this case the dog was not shot but frightened enough to run away, and before everyone starts laughing about missing a target 5 yards away remember this is not a paper target, the shooter was not able to take his time aiming, it was a, presumably, fast moving dog, very close and getting closer, everyone on here would of course shot it straight between the eyes no bother at all. On top of that consider what happens to the dog now? chances are it will be placed in kennels until a court can decide it's fate as on the face of it there appears to be grounds for an allegation of a dangerous dog.

I remember an incident years ago when a dog, a Rotweiler, was shot during a raid on a house and the dog attacked. There was a huge internal investigation into it including a Post Mortem on the dog!

As usual in any contentious thread like this far too much "considered" opinion offered when not in possession of all the facts. These things are best left as just reported on until all of the information is in the public domain.

John

Unless you are dealing with an armed siege why create one?

 

[204 Ruger]

Firearms Officers told to "shoot to kill if required not to shoot to scare" Who gave your sister in law that gem? Just does not happen.
Shotgun to remove hinges??
Ever heard the noise of a ram hitting a door to gain access. Could just sound like a couple of shots being fired.
Been on a good few early morning calls and this interpretation by your sister in law just does not add up but .........

I said the same mate. But the local bobby said they fired 2 rounds. It will be in the local papers later and my mates sister in law is a firearms officer within North Wales so Ill ask her to confirm if shots were fired.

PS. I wasnt saying they had been told to shoot to scare..It was a joke. They had been told to shoot to kill...I was joking to say that they had scared it instead

 

[david1976]

Unless you are dealing with an armed siege why create one?

I don't imagine that a load of armed police officers attended at someone's house because they failed to pay a fine for urinating in the street, I would suggest that the people inside are not particularly nice people and that this approach was necessary. Lots of bad people live in nice areas generally mortgage free as they have paid for houses with the funds they have made from their illegal activities.

 

[204 Ruger]

Come on people get a grip, these officers were there to do deal with suspected armed robbers, not the sort of people renowned for their negotiating skills or willingness to to open front doors when they get knocked on. When you are in a situation like that all attention is focused on a safe and efficient solution to the task in hand and messing about trying to subdue a vicious dog with a biscuit or a slap with an ASP causes officers to take their attention of the targets. This in turn provides the target with the opportunity to escape or even cause harm to the officers concerned, so the efficient safe way is to eliminate the immediate threat, the dog in this case by shooting it.

As it happens in this case the dog was not shot but frightened enough to run away, and before everyone starts laughing about missing a target 5 yards away remember this is not a paper target, the shooter was not able to take his time aiming, it was a, presumably, fast moving dog, very close and getting closer, everyone on here would of course shot it straight between the eyes no bother at all. On top of that consider what happens to the dog now? chances are it will be placed in kennels until a court can decide it's fate as on the face of it there appears to be grounds for an allegation of a dangerous dog.

I remember an incident years ago when a dog, a Rotweiler, was shot during a raid on a house and the dog attacked. There was a huge internal investigation into it including a Post Mortem on the dog!

As usual in any contentious thread like this far too much "considered" opinion offered when not in possession of all the facts. These things are best left as just reported on until all of the information is in the public domain.

John

Spot on John...If I can confirm 100% from my mates sister(FAO) in law that shots were fired and at the dog Ill add to the post. I’m not into making up fanciful stories, thought this would be of interest to the people on here (looks like I was right ).

 

[timbrayford]

I don't imagine that a load of armed police officers attended at someone's house because they failed to pay a fine for urinating in the street, I would suggest that the people inside are not particularly nice people and that this approach was necessary. Lots of bad people live in nice areas generally mortgage free as they have paid for houses with the funds they have made from their illegal activities.

Precisely why they might be compliant enough to go along with a normal arrest if they thought that they could talk their way out of it. As I said why create a dangerous siege situation if it is not absolutely necessary

 

[devilishdave]

Great to hear all the crys from the leftie liberals that know more than hundreds of years of police experiance that were on the scene. They seam to know the situation better than those who are fully briefed on the background of the situation. This idea that you wait until the dog closes it's jaws on some one before using minimum force on it is a joke. What is minimum force for a large dog (with unknown temprament) charging towards you?? Let's bear in mind the police believe the dog is owned by vicious criminals and they are deliberately trying to use the dog as a weapon.

 

[204 Ruger]

Great to hear all the crys from the leftie liberals that know more than hundreds of years of police experiance that were on the scene. They seam to know the situation better than those who are fully briefed on the background of the situation. This idea that you wait until the dog closes it's jaws on some one before using minimum force on it is a joke. What is minimum force for a large dog (with unknown temprament) charging towards you?? Let's bear in mind the police believe the dog is owned by vicious criminals and they are deliberately trying to use the dog as a weapon.

Agree and clearly the dog was sent out as a distraction, if the officers ahd spent time trying to beat it off they could have used the time to take a run for it.

 

[204 Ruger]

The latest on the local news is that an officer was taken to hospital with dog bites. So it appears that it was only shot at once it had attacked.

 

[Cougar]

I guess he should have first let the dog jump on him and bite, then kill it? Yeah, right.... (assuming it wasn't a chihuahua!)

I haven't read the story so it was only my first thought. Sorry.

 

[JabaliHunter]

No worries, Cougar!

As it happens in this case the dog was not shot but frightened enough to run away, and before everyone starts laughing about missing a target 5 yards away remember this is not a paper target, the shooter was not able to take his time aiming, it was a, presumably, fast moving dog, very close and getting closer, everyone on here would of course shot it straight between the eyes no bother at all.

Glad he wasn't my PH!

 

[Paul at Fechan]

If a 'real' dog ran at me showing the signs of an attack and I had a shotgun am I seriously going to do anything appart from try to flatten it. Dog bites are nasty....

 

[matt_hooks]

Apaprebntly the bust was linked to some armed robberies that have taken place around Cheshire

Any idea which robberies Stevie? I was in Romiley a few days ago and the Sainsburys was turned over by a bunch of knuckleheads with baseball bats, apparently a few places have had the same treatment, wonder if it's the same crew?

Edited to add, the whole "shoot to kill" order is a nonsense. They will have been given their rules of engagament, but they are trained to shoot for centre of mass, to remove the threat as quickly as possible, which is effectively "shooting to kill".

 

[timbrayford]

I don't think it is a case of leftie liberal attitudes, in my case far from it, however, how many people can remember what happened to Steven Waldorf. He was a completely innocent person who had the misfortune to resemble an armed criminal that the police were looking for, the police shot first and asked second and he received multiple pistol shot wounds. In a society where the law abiding are prohibited from the peaceful recreational use of pistols why should we tolerate armed police running amok with guns?

 

[204 Ruger]

Any idea which robberies Stevie? I was in Romiley a few days ago and the Sainsburys was turned over by a bunch of knuckleheads with baseball bats, apparently a few places have had the same treatment, wonder if it's the same crew?

Edited to add, the whole "shoot to kill" order is a nonsense. They will have been given their rules of engagament, but they are trained to shoot for centre of mass, to remove the threat as quickly as possible, which is effectively "shooting to kill".

Not sure which ones mate but I’m sure it will come out if they have the right people. We also had a local supermarket turned over a few weeks back with a similar MO...Agree, I think the bobby got a bit excited and thought he was in a film or something. Whatever the rules of engagement were these boys/or girls weren’t messing about and were obviously prepared to kill (or at least try ) if they needed to. Funnily enough, it was not long after the shot were fired that they all piled out (when i say all, there were a lot of them in there)

 

[BIGPETE]

You're sis-inlaw was lucky!
Crewe man injured as police shoot a dog dead - Crewe Chronicle

 

[204 Ruger]

You're sis-inlaw was lucky!
Crewe man injured as police shoot a dog dead - Crewe Chronicle

Just goes to show....Why not take the shotty with them instead would aehv been much safer. Better tell her to check her motor for holes!!!