Partners to be quizzed in new gun licence screening

[maximus otter]

…they are very weak in identifying rouge Police officers.

lf they’re wearing rouge they’ll be easily identifiable.

maximus otter

 

[opticron1]

Funnily enough, going back to the original point.....one of the reasons I don't have my own rifle/shotgun is that SWMBO doesn't like the idea of firearms in the house - she's fine going out with me on a stalk, but hasn't come around to my way of thinking....yet!
Can't personally see a problem with asking your significant other the question, after all, it might just flag up some concerns.
In addition, she knows me better than my GP does and yet they would ask him for further information - and I haven't seen him for years!

 

[VSS]

Is this really anything new, I can remember before I left home and the local bobby used to check your cabinets and count ammo, he always had a chat with my father and the last feo to check my paperwork asked a few enquiry type questions to Mrs Zero as he finished off his paperwork. Think it's just how they've been taught to work, enquire and notice stuff..

Exactly.
It must just be a slow news day today.

 

[8x57]

A friend of mine used to run a large company supplying door staff for nightclubs- a girl approached him for a job, she failed to get the SIA security badge due to a previous conviction so he could not employ her- a few weeks later he bumped into her and he again apologised that he could not employ her- no issues was her response as she had just been accepted into the police force.

I've known police officers who were refused firearms certificates in the past.

On the other hand I knew a guy who since passed, I'd known him since I was 12 or 13, who had a very serious drink problem. He was invited for an interview with the Deputy Chief Constable following his second conviction for drink driving. He had to explain to the DCC a reason why his FAC and SGC shouldn't be revoked. He was only a few years later employed by the same force as a firearms enquiry officer. Following his appointment fellow shooters would come up to you and say "you're not going to believe who has been employed as a FEO".

 

[JTO]

All you need now is some vindictive partner and then what recourse do you have to get your certificates and firearms back?

Divorce!

 

[Deerstalker6]

why do they insist on calling it a license it's a certificate, correct wording and all

 

[suburban bushwacker]

Like a battered wife is going to grass her husband up so she gets another battering.

In some cases it may be the impetus she needs to make a complaint. Good thing.

 

[8x57]

Is this really anything new, I can remember before I left home and the local bobby used to check your cabinets and count ammo, he always had a chat with my father and the last feo to check my paperwork asked a few enquiry type questions to Mrs Zero as he finished off his paperwork. Think it's just how they've been taught to work, enquire and notice stuff..

That's what local bobby's did. Our local bobby knew every one and everything that went on in the area. Some people didn't realise it but while he was sat down having a cup of tea and chatting or was talking to the kids in the park he was actually gathering intelligence all the time but in the nicest gentlest possible way.
Now that things have moved on and you very rarely see a policeman, even in a police station, they've had to introduce other methods to try and garner information such as by filling in forms or questionnaires. Obviously the quality of the information is never going to be as anywhere as good as that obtained from your local village bobby.

 

[JTO]

Another nail in the coffin of private gun ownership in the UK.
There is a good article on here somewhere called something like "The Slippery Slope to Gun Ownership in the UK" well worth a read.
I wonder what the statistics look like as a comparison for let's say, death & injury caused by legally held firearms versus death and injury caused by serving members of the police force?

Soon after handgun ban, a statistician reckoned that there was still the same chance of being killed by a legally held firearm, but it would be a police officer that pulled the trigger.

 

[JTO]

If it works let's extend it to Police vetting, that an area they are very weak in identifying rouge Police officers.

Just look at the divorce rate in the police force, and the suicide rate amongst doctors.

 

[sikamalc]

No doubt Boris would have a problem trying to decide which partner the police were going to question, if he applied for a ticket?

 

[JTO]

What if the person lives alone and continues to live on their own...will they ask the Spaniels

A woman, a Spaniel and a Walnut Tree
The more you beat 'em, the better they be!

 

[VSS]

What if the person lives alone and continues to live on their own...will they ask the Spaniels

No, you would just employ a "professional partner" to do the paperwork. A bit like using medcert, except there's lots of other nice things a professional partner would do that medcert probably won't...

 

[Heym SR20]

Part of any enquiry as to grant or renewal is domestic circumstances and security. Those who are living in the household must also be considered, along with the neighbourhood and who else you associate with. Always has been.

 

[Jon P]

I've known police officers who were refused firearms certificates in the past.

On the other hand I knew a guy who since passed, I'd known him since I was 12 or 13, who had a very serious drink problem. He was invited for an interview with the Deputy Chief Constable following his second conviction for drink driving. He had to explain to the DCC a reason why his FAC and SGC shouldn't be revoked. He was only a few years later employed by the same force as a firearms enquiry officer. Following his appointment fellow shooters would come up to you and say "you're not going to believe who has been employed as a FEO".

Was that Gwent police by any chance??

 

[8x57]

A fellow rifle club member told me that the FEO noted that he was not using the same referee as on his last application. He replied that's because we no longer speak to each other. The FEO enquired further and my friend explained "it's because his wife is now my wife".

Was that Gwent police by any chance??

Yes.

 

[Benelli m2]

This is very old news that the BBC has brought up

 

[Apthorpe]

Well, I am surprised tbh. It's not a legal requirement but has already resulted in people losing their license or being refused.
If you read between the lines, they are looking for any excuse to reduce the amount of firearms and shotguns legally owned.
Where Isnp. Davies is quoted a saying ""We’ve had seven cases during this trial where we've either refused or revoked a licence; that is seven cases that potentially could have gone on to domestic abuse homicide." This line of thinking seems dangerous to me, as you could frame anything like this - 'by keeping residents in lockdown we prevented them potentially being run over on the roads'.

Quite right. It's outrageous that a public employee could be so stupid/mendacious as to say something like that in public. It's entirely obvious that it is not seven cases of potential domestic abuse homicide. All it does is to reveal the stupidity of the police's reasoning.
There is no reason to assume that firearms applicants are any more likely to potentially harm another human than anyone else. Given that fact, if the police reasoning was sound, by extending the programme to the entire population that could prevent around 40,000 potential domestic abuse homicides, every 5 years. A number far, far greater than the total of all homicides in the UK. Gibberish. Why do reporters not interrogate these sorts of bull**** claims?

Where does it end? It doesn't seem to cover any further investigation process, just taking the partners word for it. All you need now is some vindictive partner and then what recourse do you have to get your certificates and firearms back?

 

[8x57]

" This line of thinking seems dangerous to me, as you could frame anything like this - 'by keeping residents in lockdown we prevented them potentially being run over on the roads'.

To my way of thinking bottling people up during lockdown, especially considering the unreasonableness of the Welsh government actually created a pressure cooker effect.

 

[Sinistral]

This is very old news that the BBC has brought up

It's not. My guess is that a formal scheme like this will receive the kite mark of Home Office approval as 'best practice'.
Given safeguards, it's a sensible idea so doesn't cause me any concern.

Gun crime survivors create scheme to stop violent partners owning firearms

Some police in England and Wales now ask spouses to flag dangerous traits or mental health problems

www.theguardian.com