Open Ticket With Authority To Shoot on un Police Verified Land

[Envillegc1]

Hello

I have a quick question.
I have had an open ticket for a number of years now.

It is my understanding that providing you have permission to shoot over the land, it does not need to be verified by the Police as being safe to shoot over with various calibres.

That falls firmly with you, the shooter and as good practice you should carry out your own safty audit etc in conjuction with the landowner?

Or do the Police have to authroise all land that is shot over.

This is in England, not Scotland which I understand is different.

To be clearas well this is open farm land and for the record I am a firm believer of the old adage of if in doubt, dont!

I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Cheers

M

 

[Jamouk]

Correct no need to clear if open and have permission

 

[Tim.243]

Hello

I have a quick question.
I have had an open ticket for a number of years now.

It is my understanding that providing you have permission to shoot over the land, it does not need to be verified by the Police as being safe to shoot over with various calibres.

That falls firmly with you, the shooter and as good practice you should carry out your own safty audit etc in conjuction with the landowner?

Or do the Police have to authroise all land that is shot over.

This is in England, not Scotland which I understand is different.

To be clearas well this is open farm land and for the record I am a firm believer of the old adage of if in doubt, dont!

I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Cheers

M

Follow the conditions on you FAC, also your own check. I have turned down a couple places but also shoot small fields which after looking at them. One yielding 31 muntjac as I did my own check.

 

[VSS]

Hello

I have a quick question.
I have had an open ticket for a number of years now.

It is my understanding that providing you have permission to shoot over the land, it does not need to be verified by the Police as being safe to shoot over with various calibres.

That falls firmly with you, the shooter and as good practice you should carry out your own safty audit etc in conjuction with the landowner?

Or do the Police have to authroise all land that is shot over.

This is in England, not Scotland which I understand is different.

To be clearas well this is open farm land and for the record I am a firm believer of the old adage of if in doubt, dont!

I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Cheers

M

Your understanding is correct.

 

[Hornet]

You are correct

 

[Bowland blades]

Hello

I have a quick question.
I have had an open ticket for a number of years now.

It is my understanding that providing you have permission to shoot over the land, it does not need to be verified by the Police as being safe to shoot over with various calibres.

That falls firmly with you, the shooter and as good practice you should carry out your own safty audit etc in conjuction with the landowner?

Or do the Police have to authroise all land that is shot over.

This is in England, not Scotland which I understand is different.

To be clearas well this is open farm land and for the record I am a firm believer of the old adage of if in doubt, dont!

I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Cheers

M

The land checks are added by the individual force ! Why ? Because they do not generally know very much at all about the subject at hand . Its a waste of manpower, money and time ! There is no law for the police inspect land but then there is no law that says they cannot so long as the landowner is ok with it . The police must be happy you have 1. good reason to own a firearm 2. Can keep it safe from unauthorised persons 3. do not present a risk to the public . Anything else is put in there by the force in question dealing with it , though those enquiries should connect back to asserting those things listed.

 

[Overlay]

Hello

I have a quick question.
I have had an open ticket for a number of years now.

It is my understanding that providing you have permission to shoot over the land, it does not need to be verified by the Police as being safe to shoot over with various calibres.

That falls firmly with you, the shooter and as good practice you should carry out your own safty audit etc in conjuction with the landowner?

Or do the Police have to authroise all land that is shot over.

This is in England, not Scotland which I understand is different.

To be clearas well this is open farm land and for the record I am a firm believer of the old adage of if in doubt, dont!

I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Cheers

M

Check first If the land has been inspected and a caliber specific has been specified, i have land whereupon a specific calibre .22 rimfire standard loading and non fac air rifles can only be used.

Another is shooting from a high seat with no more than 50 grn non tox 223 caliber or less i shoot 35 grn 222 NT
You ordinarily won’t come across much of this, but if its a new block just check it out yourself

 

[Cyres]

That's completecand utter rubbish.
Who on earth comes up with such ludicrous conditions.?
What's non toxic got to do with it? . Why no FAC Air rifle. Few FAC air rifles approaching 80/90 ftlbs which is .22lr 40 grn sub energy.
Somebody is pulling the wool over your eyes.
D

 

[Rake Aboot]

Check first If the land has been inspected and a caliber specific has been specified, i have land whereupon a specific calibre .22 rimfire standard loading and non fac air rifles can only be used.

Another is shooting from a high seat with no more than 50 grn non tox 223 caliber or less i shoot 35 grn 222 NT
You ordinarily won’t come across much of this, but if its a new block just check it out yourself

Nope

 

[kenbro]

Post # 7 made me think….if some land is cleared for a certain calibre or maximum calibre restriction put on it, does that over rule someone with an open ticket coming along and shooting there with a calibre not specified?
Kb.
Ps. The restrictions could be in place for a novice shooter or for safety reasons about how the land lays.

 

[Stalker62]

Post # 7 made me think….if some land is cleared for a certain calibre or maximum calibre restriction put on it, does that over rule someone with an open ticket coming along and shooting there with a calibre not specified?

No.

 

[finnbear270]

Where is this rubbish originating? ................. Open certificate: It is the responsibility of the certificate holder with landowner's / sporting rights owner permission. no one else.

 

[Overlay]

Thought provoking answers

Post # 7 made me think….if some land is cleared for a certain calibre or maximum calibre restriction put on it, does that over rule someone with an open ticket coming along and shooting there with a calibre not specified?
Kb.
Ps. The restrictions could be in place for a novice shooter or for safety reasons about how the land lays.

Its up to the individual how they portray themselves, if your going to shoot over a piece of ground temporary or full time, the onus is on you to be lawful in discharging a firearm or other safety or environmental issues on the the land. No one else apart from the landowner

If you can’t be bothered and then there is an incident, that would come I guess to the front very quickly on an investigation all channeled against the firearms user and or the owner due to non compliance to discharge a certain calibre outside the known restriction

For most it isn’t a problem on land but it is out there and as the green land steadily changes to concrete, it will increase without a doubt, checking on new ground should be on everyones to do list

It may rub salt in some people wounds, but why wouldn’t you do it ???

No one likes restrictions and red tape but things move on everyone needs to be seen to be doing theb right thing nowadays


ACE Arse covering exercise is really a need to do in these changing times.

Get your own check list together it takes 5 mins and a couple of e mails, go shooting with a smile

 

[timbrayford]

Check first If the land has been inspected and a caliber specific has been specified, i have land whereupon a specific calibre .22 rimfire standard loading and non fac air rifles can only be used.

Another is shooting from a high seat with no more than 50 grn non tox 223 caliber or less i shoot 35 grn 222 NT
You ordinarily won’t come across much of this, but if its a new block just check it out yourself

Why would you do that? These are additional conditions that specifically apply to a closed certificate on that particular area of ground,if you have an open certificate you are free to use your own judgement

 

[Overlay]

Why would you do that? These are additional conditions that specifically apply to a closed certificate on that particular area of ground,if you have an open certificate you are free to use your own judgement

Not every piece of land is free from restraints,
If needed because environmental or ab high risk, survey put your findings in first, before anyone has a chance to put the mockers on it

 

[finnbear270]

The restraint lies with the firearm user.

 

[timbrayford]

Not every piece of land is free from restraints,
If needed because environmental or ab high risk, survey put your findings in first, before anyone has a chance to put the mockers on it

Landowners are of course free to impose whatever conditions they like, but its not for the police to do so, apart from within the context of a closed certificate.

 

[Overlay]

Landowners are of course free to impose whatever conditions they like, but its not for the police to do so, apart from within the context of a closed certificate.

I have land that is deemed by the police for high seat only on clearance for firearms and calibre size limit in writing

Also the use of restriction on land on calibre one is for non fac air rifle and standard .22 rimfire that is on the clearance from the police in writing

Whether that is in conjunction with the landowner ??? I will never be asking or wish to know the clearance came from a letter from the police via the landowner

 

[VSS]

I have land that is deemed by the police for high seat only on clearance for firearms and calibre size limit in writing

Also the use of restriction on land on calibre one is for non fac air rifle and standard .22 rimfire that is on the clearance from the police in writing

Whether that is in conjunction with the landowner ??? I will never be asking or wish to know the clearance came from a letter from the police via the landowner

But if you have "open" conditions, those restrictions don't apply to you.
Been through something like this recently. Landowner applied for FAC for .22lr, and the police cleared his land for that calibre. I was already stalking the ground (243 & 270, open conditions), and was told I would have to stop as the land was "unsafe" for anything bigger than .22lr.
This was nonsense of course, but the FEO remained adamant. It took a bit of correspondence to educate the FEO, but we got there in the end and I continued stalking. The land is still only cleared for .22lr, but that doesn't affect me.

 

[GlennUK]

Check first If the land has been inspected and a caliber specific has been specified, i have land whereupon a specific calibre .22 rimfire standard loading and non fac air rifles can only be used.

Another is shooting from a high seat with no more than 50 grn non tox 223 caliber or less i shoot 35 grn 222 NT
You ordinarily won’t come across much of this, but if its a new block just check it out yourself

Thats interesting, as i understand it land is 'approved' for the use of certain calibres in relation to a specific FAC holder.

How would anyone know if land is 'cleared or not' for any particular calibre unless there is a proper (aka lawful) means for such clearances to be registered? As i have an open slot for a 6.5CM that explicitly allows me to shot over any land i have permission to shoot on, safety being my sole responsibility.