Open Ticket With Authority To Shoot on un Police Verified Land

[baguio]

No garbage here Bagio

Just because you don't have to do anything re your shooting your very lucky if that’s the case for others its different
I only put on here what i have had to do, or been presented with.
I couldn’t care two monkeys how anyone goes about their shooting or permissions or safety
I only put on here what I have found and completed as it might help someone

One thing for sure any contribution from me won’t happen again i promise you 100% How’s that

All fact no fiction

The OP wasn't asking what you do though. He specifically said in line 3 I have had an open ticket for a number of years now.
The first 5 posters gave him the correct and only answers and then you turned up and started running on about a load of stuff that had zero relevance to the the OP at all due to him having an open ticket! Trust me, what you put posted on here has done nothing to help the OP at all.

 

[Overlay]

But are you on a closed or open certificate?

Anyone on an open certificate (like the OP) categorically does not need to check land clearance, nor abide by any calibre clearance on that land, it really is as simple as that!

But are you on a closed or open certificate?

Anyone on an open certificate (like the OP) categorically does not need to check land clearance, nor abide by any calibre clearance on that land, it really is as simple as that!

@ bagio
Just to finish my part I have commercial insurance supply RAMS and confirm my safety responsibilities to a paying client which in some involves the police, full open certificate HD and slaughter I do commercial wildlife control, my own lease and in syndicates with full open on everything all calibre foxes etc whether it’s for management, work, my deer business or leisure

If you think I’ve strayed off of sensible, might best you look at yourself instead or gain yourself further experience

 

[25 Sharps]

@ bagio
Just to finish my part I have commercial insurance supply RAMS and confirm my safety responsibilities to a paying client which in some involves the police, full open certificate HD and slaughter I do commercial wildlife control, my own lease and in syndicates with full open on everything all calibre foxes etc whether it’s for management, work, my deer business or leisure

If you think I’ve strayed off of sensible, might best you look at yourself instead or gain yourself further experience

So you’re on an open ticket?

In which case you do not need to be checking each piece of land, this is the issue, you are giving incorrect advice based on your experience.

 

[25 Sharps]

If it floats your boat to see it that way then feel free, but i can wander onto it with my open ticket and shoot (assuming the land/rights owner gives me permission) any calibre for which i have no restrictions.

As an aside, apparently Essex hold a list of land they have 'cleared' and the calibres they have applied i was told this by a local RFD which makes sense (at least form their perspective). AFAIK this is not available to those holding FAC .

Yes you can.

But the land is restricted, as it’s is the land that will be listed on the list you mention above (which all FLDs in England and Wales hood for their area). If it is the land that is listed then the land is restricted for those with a closer ticket.

 

[GlennUK]

Yes you can.

But the land is restricted, as it’s is the land that will be listed on the list you mention above (which all FLDs in England and Wales hood for their area). If it is the land that is listed then the land is restricted for those with a closer ticket.

What evs

 

[Overlay]

So you’re on an open ticket?

In which case you do not need to be checking each piece of land, this is the issue, you are giving incorrect advice based on your experience.

You do what you do I’ll do what I do

So you’re on an open ticket?

In which case you do not need to be checking each piece of land, this is the issue, you are giving incorrect advice based on your

 

[Stalker62]

 

[25 Sharps]

You do what you do I’ll do what I do

That’s fine, what’s not fine is coming on a thread where someone asks about whether cleared land is an issue for them on an open ticket and you saying something that is just wrong!

Simply because people may listen, there’s a sticky at the start of this section about the difference between a closed and open certificate!

 

[Overlay]

That’s fine, what’s not fine is coming on a thread where someone asks about whether cleared land is an issue for them on an open ticket and you saying something that is just wrong!

Simply because people may listen, there’s a sticky at the start of this section about the difference between a closed and open certificate!

If you or anybody else don’t care or don’t want to check on any land you discharge a firearm on irrespective of open or close cert, of the original thread that is your choice it’s better to be safe than sorry in any situation
Checking is better than not ??
Don’t check want to check or clear anything up is fine by me I was erring towards better safety not a Gunn ho attitude to firearm discharge.
Anyone who discharges a firearm should be aware of the status of the ground irrelevant of ticket concessions and if not find out
If you want to of course, wouldn’t to upset anyone

 

[baguio]

@ bagio
Just to finish my part I have commercial insurance supply RAMS and confirm my safety responsibilities to a paying client which in some involves the police, full open certificate HD and slaughter I do commercial wildlife control, my own lease and in syndicates with full open on everything all calibre foxes etc whether it’s for management, work, my deer business or leisure

If you think I’ve strayed off of sensible, might best you look at yourself instead or gain yourself further experience

Maybe you should start your own blog about your life experiences, all the insurances you pay for, tickets you hold and how you conduct yourself in your working and leisure life rather than hijacking someone else's thread? You never know, someone might read it and it would save the rest of us and the OP from wasting our lives reading your unhelpful and factually incorrect posts?

 

[Overlay]

So you’re on an open ticket?

In which case you do not need to be checking each piece of land, this is the issue, you are giving incorrect advice based on your experience.

You missed it again- it's called safety

 

[baguio]

If you or anybody else don’t care or don’t want to check on any land you discharge a firearm on irrespective of open or close cert, of the original thread that is your choice it’s better to be safe than sorry in any situation
Checking is better than not ??
Don’t check want to check or clear anything up is fine by me I was erring towards better safety not a Gunn ho attitude to firearm discharge.
Anyone who discharges a firearm should be aware of the status of the ground irrelevant of ticket concessions and if not find out
If you want to of course, wouldn’t to upset anyone

The whole point of having an open certificate is that you no longer need the land cleared. You're deemed experienced enough to make your own decisions through timed served. The police must wonder if you are to be trusted if you keep hassling them every five minutes. FFS grow a set, use your nogin and work out for yourself if the shot is safe. Do you really need a police man to hold your hand and decide for you?

 

[25 Sharps]

If you or anybody else don’t care or don’t want to check on any land you discharge a firearm on irrespective of open or close cert, of the original thread that is your choice it’s better to be safe than sorry in any situation
Checking is better than not ??
Don’t check want to check or clear anything up is fine by me I was erring towards better safety not a Gunn ho attitude to firearm discharge.
Anyone who discharges a firearm should be aware of the status of the ground irrelevant of ticket concessions and if not find out
If you want to of course, wouldn’t to upset anyone

Anyone with an open ticket does not need to check for clearance, if they did what would be the point of an open ticket?

To go back to my original question, none of my land is cleared for anything greater than .22 WMR. Should I therefore not be shooting centrefires on any of the 6 farms??

 

[Overlay]

That's completecand utter rubbish.
Who on earth comes up with such ludicrous conditions.?
What's non toxic got to do with it? . Why no FAC Air rifle. Few FAC air rifles approaching 80/90 ftlbs which is .22lr 40 grn sub energy.
Somebody is pulling the wool over your eyes.
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The landowner - some of them are green owned companies but agree to shooting but also put there five Pence worth in after consultation with other environmental companies plonk in non toxic get their survey done so they don’t fall fowl of their customers or share holders or RAMS & any other wants to some non toxic and high seats are the norm
To many that’s a load of tosh to others it’s how it can only be done
Said previously - green company landowners RAMS their policies they dont care about cost, if an environmental institution or Sssi says so it’s got to be right

Everyone can choose to run with it or not

 

[baguio]

The landowner - some of them are green owned companies but agree to shooting but also put there five Pence worth in after consultation with other environmental companies plonk in non toxic get their survey done so they don’t fall fowl of their customers or share holders or RAMS & any other wants to some non toxic and high seats are the norm
To many that’s a load of tosh to others it’s how it can only be done
Said previously - green company landowners RAMS their policies they dont care about cost, if an environmental institution or Sssi says so it’s got to be right

Everyone can choose to run with it or not

Can we please have your permission to not to run with the rest of your advice too?

 

[Overlay]

Thats interesting, as i understand it land is 'approved' for the use of certain calibres in relation to a specific FAC holder.

How would anyone know if land is 'cleared or not' for any particular calibre unless there is a proper (aka lawful) means for such clearances to be registered? As i have an open slot for a 6.5CM that explicitly allows me to shot over any land i have permission to shoot on, safety being my sole responsibility.

Landowner will or should be the key to any questions you may have it does no harm to ask questions

 

[baguio]

Landowner will or should be the key to any questions you may have it does no harm to ask questions

Not the police who actually do the checks and hold the register then?

 

[Overlay]

Not the police who actually do the checks and hold the register then?

The landowner will have privy I suspect to everything attached to his land. As it’s his ground or you could ask the police what ever suits you sir

 

[25 Sharps]

Anyone with an open ticket does not need to check for clearance, if they did what would be the point of an open ticket?

To go back to my original question, none of my land is cleared for anything greater than .22 WMR. Should I therefore not be shooting centrefires on any of the 6 farms??

@Overlay, answer the bloody question!

 

[baguio]

The landowner will have privy I suspect to everything attached to his land. As it’s his ground or you could ask the police what ever suits you sir

Why? It's got nothing to do with land value. It can be done without any consultation with the land owner as the police do not necessarily even need to set foot on the land. It could have been done before the land owner bought the land. The solicitor would never be informed. The owner might know but may also have no idea. The police on the other hand will certainly know.
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