Gloucestershire Police - Requiring Training before Shotgun Certificate Grant

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Stalker1962 said:
Your distrust of the Police is well documented (as is your history with at least one of them).

However, sometimes (just sometimes) maybe the Police are just trying to keep people safe?
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is there a well documented risk from first time gun owners through lack of training?
 
shakey jake said:
is there a well documented risk from first time gun owners through lack of training?
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All the data is available from the Office of National Statistics (ONS).

As a quick 'snap shot' (poor choice of words I grant you), from 2013 - 2018 it is about 2 fatalities a year.

Numbers aside, I do not get the aversion to training?

Do you think it is OK for folks to jump into a car and drive on the motorways without training?
I do know that people do this.

I also know that 'trained' drivers crash. I also know that 'trained' firearms holders have accidents/incidents.

It is not a panacea, but surely, a wee bit of instruction cannot be a bad thing?
 
Stalker1962 said:
All the data is available from the Office of National Statistics (ONS).

As a quick 'snap shot' (poor choice of words I grant you), from 2013 - 2018 it is about 2 fatalities a year.

Numbers aside, I do not get the aversion to training?

Do you think it is OK for folks to jump into a car and drive on the motorways without training?
I do know that people do this.

I also know that 'trained' drivers crash. I also know that 'trained' firearms holders have accidents/incidents.

It is not a panacea, but surely, a wee bit of instruction cannot be a bad thing?
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I think its the thin end of the wedge, the system isnt broken so doesnt need fixing.
 
JackDavis said:
The person in question has been out with me several times and I’d say 90-95% of his clay shooting will be when he comes with me to a clay ground.

The FEO also said he needs to no how to “clean and dismantle” a shotgun
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OMG , well I guess over half ? SGC holders cannot clean their barrels correctly, they certainly not be messing inside the inner of the locks etc . for sure! Things like this from the cops need knocking on the head because the madness only grows
I have personal issues with our org/orgs that do not challenge this head on . I suspect there are eyes rolling around thinking about an extra amount of revenue rolling in there way - Yep! I am getting to the stage where i am very likely going to jump ship after getting on near 40 years a member
 
All of you saying having experience is necessary may have missed what I said originally.

The person in question has been shooting with me and will continue to do so. I’ve had a shogun license for around 10 years and I’ve shot everything from, driven pheasants to major championships so I think I have enough experience to deem he’s safe with a shotgun.

The main reason he wants his license is so we can attend other clay ground where you need your own license.
 
3595wilk said:
Totally agree with the need to balance the need to keep the public safe and providing a suitable service for people requesting access to licensed items for legitimate purposes.

The issue is the regional disparity in doing so; which breeds suspicion and frustration and undermines confidence in a national system that is ripe for overhaul.

Lots of factors around why this is so - and not solely related to licence applications - but to apparently change a policy position without communicating the alteration in stance and providing a rationale for doing so, is just poor.
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In that case given the tiny amount of issues caused by legally held firearms, then in the interest of public safety a license to own kitchen cutlery would be more beneficial

There is no balance needed. And everyone requesting access to firearms requests for legitimate purposes.
 
disco_ike said:
Hi All,

Has anyone else come across a requirement by Gloucs Police to complete "Training" before they will grant you a shotgun certificate? Just been asked about this as they have asked someone to obtain training before they will grant his certificate. I am lead to believe the training is basically Ian Coley's Starter pack for £450. I am not suggesting there is a link between Ian's and Gloucs FEOs but seems very odd to specify such a requirement which is no where in the legislation.

I have already messaged @Conor O'Gorman to flag it with BASC and emailed them for advice so just seeing if anyone else on here has been subjected to a ludicrous request like this.

Ta D-I
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BASC is contacting the force about this - that should not be happening. If anyone else has evidence of such training requests/demands please let me know either on this thread, by PM, or by email.
 
Rake Aboot said:
In that case given the tiny amount of issues caused by legally held firearms, then in the interest of public safety a license to own kitchen cutlery would be more beneficial

There is no balance needed. And everyone requesting access to firearms requests for legitimate purposes.
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The reason it's only a tiny amount is because they balance the need.

And at least please write comprehensible sentences when responding??......no idea what, ...'And everyone requesting access to firearms requests for legitimate purposes' means?
 
I am not against education or improvement through seeking best practice. My concern is to consider that anyone could be certified as “safe.” I have been shooting since I was a boy and over those last three decades I am yet to meet a man who has completed his apprenticeship in firearms safety. Every day that I take my gun out, I inevitably make micro mistakes, that I mentally note and endeavour to improve upon. Safe handling of firearms is a culture not a course. I have seen that ‘passing a course’ can give someone a false sense of safety or entitlement if they are not in the mindset of safe practice.
 
JackDavis said:
The person in question has been out with me several times and I’d say 90-95% of his clay shooting will be when he comes with me to a clay ground.

The FEO also said he needs to no how to “clean and dismantle” a shotgun
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Can he not show evidence of clay club membership, or at the least logged attendance for those several times?
Gloucester Constabulary are over the top with their interpretation of legislation. But if the person in question has applied for a SGC without any prior club attendance, I can understand their pov.
 
3595wilk said:
The reason it's only a tiny amount is because they balance the need.

And at least please write comprehensible sentences when responding??......no idea what, ...'And everyone requesting access to firearms requests for legitimate purposes' means?
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Learn to read then
It’s perfectly clear .

Everyone that requests access to firearms does so for legitimate purposes
No one requests for illegitimate reasons

Not that difficult.

And no reason is required for a sgc anyway .
 
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