John Gryphon
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or stuffing a 22 bullet into a swift case.
See above...at over 4000 fps theres sfa left after a hit on just about anything.
Is .22lr high velocity less prone to ricochet?
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I beg to differ if it’s some types of copper bullets….some of these retain 90+% of their original mass…and from the testing I have done they are still in fairly aerodynamic forms unlike the pieces of a lead/jacketed bullet which are almost like flakes.
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Gixer
hybridfiat
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Another reason NOT to use solid projectiles.
He talks rubbish as always, supersonic bodies are not silent, they create noise as a sonic crack, the same as any supersonic bullet which is why you can’t completely silence a supersonic round.
Ricochet is a fact of life with .22 and any other round, you just have to do as much as practically possible to remove the risk.
John Gryphon
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Ok understandably there are those bullets at times that have a mind of their own but for pure simplicity a highly frangible 40 grainer travelling at 4000 fps plus has a higher probability of disintegrations than a lead wad.
I dont think anyone is shooting solid copper in Swifts or even if they are made.
Smellydog
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That's bloody rich....!
I used a brick of these on rabbits , when they first came out ( 12 plus years back perhaps?). Shot accurately in my CZ and killed very well , i would say better than other 22 rf . However they did nothing at all on ricochet reduction ( which was how they really marketed them at the time ) and as the leaves broke off they damaged a lot of meat . View against the regular ammo ? OK for those who struggle with decent placement Lapua , SK, CCI velocitors , Eley subs way better choice for me . 4cm at 45 yards ? they have got worse it seems or your gun doesn't like them or other factors are at play in the job , if I had that performance on my 50 yard rage i would return them to the dealer tbf 4 cm at 100yards and so long as it wasn't a difficult day would be used but not on the list next time .
I do think there is a market for improved terminal performance on 22 RF ammo but its not vast and it must shoot tight enough. The test of decent 22RF is an inch max at 50 and there is plenty that can do better ( batch dependant )
lovelyloopystuff
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I've used segmented 22lr and found if you find that pebble in the dirt it still can send lead flying in odd directions, its just if you use segmented there are more pieces but a smaller size...
From cleaning rabbits the main shaft of the bullet ( that makes up the main mass ) is still a very significant ricochet risk . The petals that break off the front ? Are maybe about as dangerous as a fairy farts but that shank means you cannot give the round any wiggle room on safety - take only shots you might take with any 40 grain sub imho.
What do you mean by "the main shaft of the bullet"?
There isn't a "main shaft" or "shank", as you call it. The whole bullet splits into three equal segments, and that's it. There's no other parts:
Smellydog
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I once had a 22 bullet bounce into a steel drum. It dented the drum like an airgun pellet would. I've also had them bounce and make a hole in stuff or bed into wood.
Its gonna happen and if you are shooting on land whereupon it is a concern maybe you should not be shooting there!
Its gonna happen and if you are shooting on land whereupon it is a concern maybe you should not be shooting there!
Even tank rounds ricochet…
Don’t think that ricochet that looks to have gone straight through the target and then carried on.
Foxyboy43
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Oh, so the three obvious post-target “bounces” don’t count as ricochets then - silly old FB….
Rake Aboot
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What does it say on your cert as you shouldn’t need a variation to try Wmr. 22 magnum can be a properly handy tool.
Ricochet potential should be treated the exact same way for all the RF rifles ! Ultimately the differences are too small to account for in any way when the shooter decides to take the shot or let that one get a free pass .
Distance of travel / over travel is purely the only difference when shot skywards .
Bullets breaking up isn't ever to be trusted ( unless you had some of the old part clay fairground ammo )
If there is a clear ricochet risk take a sub 12 ft lb airgun , some of the CCI quiet range in 22 lr run at 30 ft lb and there are limited in range and useful for shooting steeply up into trees etc as they very soon run out of power BUT THIS SHOULD BE CAREFULL MANAGED with experience
You can purchase special long range 22 subsonic that are able to be shot with good accuracy to 600 , so choosing subs over hv is totally futile and i would not be keen to kill ferals in a a building in 95 % of barns
shotguns with appropriate charges are often a good choice with soft lead or bismuth in rocky fields like 14 gram 7
Most std subsonic 22rf is around 80 ft lb and dropping from a HV isnt going to help ! The 17 hmr is tecnically and in my experiance more hazardous on ricochets its just the shooter wont hear an audible "ziiing " THINK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT IT !
The main shaft of the bullet can pass arse to head so i seriously dont think thats safe or practial for taking shots on dodgy ground . I see absolutely no use in them as a safety measure . I did a brick of 500 on Rabbit control when they where launched ( was doing a lot of rabbit control at that point in time ) really good at killing but messy sometimes on the carcass
better perhaps not to take such a shot ?
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