Lead update.
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I looked and found that even. 240 uses a 6.2mm bullet. Decent calipers and some wet and dry might reduce it down a bit
Malxwal
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I use premium lead free bullets for stalking now, the price is more than double, and the terminal effect simply not always as efficient, but hey, we need to move with the times, whether that is guided by ropey science or not.
There simply is no evidence that categorically proves people get sick or die by consuming deer and game shot with lead, but I accept there are other considerations.
RJD
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Ban All Shooting Clubs ā¦.. always wondered what BASC stood for!
So the NRA comment linked in the OP was wrong!
RJD
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Yep, itās dog****
None of the practical shooters I spoke to understand the concept. Thereās a reason weāve always banned steel shot on steel plates and why non-lead is still banned on nearly every target range!Clay loads are cheaper. Fibre wads cannot be used with steel. Cheapest Ā£270 per thousand. If I were you Iād be more worried about ricochet with steel in practical shotgun than prices of ammunition.
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Utectok
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Looks like youāll need an athletic deregulation then. I think thereās a few circumstances that the report doesnāt consider like your sport. Also black powder guns and historical stuff not that I know anything about that mind you. Good luck with your Olympic journey
Ive found steel shot to work at close range, the second you start pushing ranges past 30 it doesn't kill clean. I've literally seen a bird be hit for it to fly on another few hundred yards before dropping. It happened once or twice with lead but with steel it was a pretty common occurrence
Black Powder is velocity is too low for UK deer so itās all target shooting. Muzzle loading shotguns will just have to use BismouthLooks like youāll need an athletic deregulation then. I think thereās a few circumstances that the report doesnāt consider like your sport. Also black powder guns and historical stuff not that I know anything about that mind you. Good luck with your Olympic journey
Utectok
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Yes not so good at range Iāve found that too. Perhaps one or two more runners but Steel is ok if you reign it in a bit
I don't know what bullets you're using but I can assure you I pay half that
that's sierra, hornady and the occasional Speer bullets chucked in for good measure. Lead bullet (reloads) coming in at Ā£1.06 using my current load.
Copper - Ā£1.96.
That's nearly doubled the cost. Now let's go off a a minimalist 500 rounds per year.
Lead - Ā£530
Copper - Ā£980
For 'just an extra quid', there's a hell of a big difference right there.
I use what works, sierra and hornady. Sub 50p a bullet for most calibre's in hunting bullets. The likes of me and probably 90 percent of my friends that shoot quite literally can't afford for it to double the cost on something so small, especially given the amount we spend on kit, leases, fuel and the rest of it.
I stand by this - it's extremely unfortunate this mentality of it doesn't effect me is so prevalent within the shooting community, it's all of us that are going to suffer here for the sake of anti's. Do not think they will stop once lead is banned!
Utectok
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Fair point well madeā¦.I don't know what bullets you're using but I can assure you I pay half that
Lead bullet (reloads) coming in at Ā£1.06 using my current load.
Copper - Ā£1.96.
That's nearly doubled the cost. Now let's go off a a minimalist 500 rounds per year.
Lead - Ā£530
Copper - Ā£980
For 'just an extra quid', there's a hell of a big difference right there.
I use what works, sierra and hornady. Sub 50p a bullet for most calibre's in hunting bullets. The likes of me and probably 90 percent of my friends that shoot quite literally can't afford for it to double the cost on something so small, especially given the amount we spend on kit, leases, fuel and the rest of it.
I stand by this - it's extremely unfortunate this mentality of it doesn't effect me is so prevalent within the shooting community, it's all of us that are going to suffer here for the sake of anti's. Do not think they will stop once lead is banned!
Just greasing the 22/250. Hornet now retired.I think more deer are gonna get shot with 22cf than they realised.
Get that old hornet out Rattel
palmer_mike
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Incorrect. I have a .50 flintlock rifle that is conditioned for all deer in England and wales. I have shot many deer with it. I also have a mkII martini Henry which is conditioned for deer.
Most established bonafide clay grounds will be a small area and have tonnes of lead shot already over the ground, it will not suddenly vanish, mind you itās hard to find even if looking for it. Then you take a local ground it has the clay shooting and air rifle and .22lr rifle range depositing lead over the same ground. The lead shot must stop but not the rifle lead. How is that even logical?
Bottom line is HSE could not allow the continued use of lead shot for target shooting as then it would continue to be used for live quarry.
What was really needed to drive the switching to non toxic was a cartridge with a proper biodegradable wad using steel shot at a price point lower than a comparable lead shot cartridge.
That is in practice cannot be achieved as only the expensive cardboard type wads can be considered a substitute for the traditional fibre wad. Apparently a lot of game shoots have banned current āplasticā biodegradable wads as they are not degradable in the environment.
Thatās the biggest challenge for the industry, as fibre wad clay grounds will otherwise close. Then also a risk that single use plastic will go on to replace lead, polluting the environment as that will likely be the cheapest choice.
Bottom line is HSE could not allow the continued use of lead shot for target shooting as then it would continue to be used for live quarry.
What was really needed to drive the switching to non toxic was a cartridge with a proper biodegradable wad using steel shot at a price point lower than a comparable lead shot cartridge.
That is in practice cannot be achieved as only the expensive cardboard type wads can be considered a substitute for the traditional fibre wad. Apparently a lot of game shoots have banned current āplasticā biodegradable wads as they are not degradable in the environment.
Thatās the biggest challenge for the industry, as fibre wad clay grounds will otherwise close. Then also a risk that single use plastic will go on to replace lead, polluting the environment as that will likely be the cheapest choice.
Smellydog
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I found a steel wad on a piece of ground that I definitely know that no one else other than me has shot on for over ten years. I could of reloaded it again it was in perfect condition.
On another place covered in lead shot I always had wild poults. Last year the land got covered in micro plastic via recycled paper bedding. A total fcuk up. I've not seen any wild bred poults this year.
Go figure.
On another place covered in lead shot I always had wild poults. Last year the land got covered in micro plastic via recycled paper bedding. A total fcuk up. I've not seen any wild bred poults this year.
Go figure.
Iām struggling in reality to get any of mine over 1250fps, youāre doing well to push them at 1700fps
Flintlock loses even more pressure than others so it must be one heck of a load. They are perfectly suitable for any deer and large game, the trouble is that the powers that be have no clue about balistics, hence the 1700fps restriction. I have used both Snider and muzzle loader abroad and itās challenging.
I did hear a rumour that original 303 BP were designed to reach 1800fps but not aware of anyone able to replicate the ballistics without modern powder. Other BP calibres then to be slower.
Smellydog
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What rifle and bullet?Iām struggling in reality to get any of mine over 1250fps, youāre doing well to push them at 1700fps
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