Lead update.

Yep roe in England need to mirror the law in Scotland..22 CF 👍
I have been holding off getting my 1st CF for just that reason. I will probably only ever shoot roe, so no real need for large calibre... if it works in Scotland, it works in England / Wales / NI.
Question is how long a wait till it happens?
 
The market is going to be saturated with .243's with a slow twist rate that won't stabilize alternatives.
the .22 CF market will explode as vermin shooters down size calibre. A number of gunsmiths will probably do ok as we re-barrel to an alternative caliber or twist rate
And then at some point they will realize that the 22CF is a legal caliber for Scottish roe and small English species. Then the minimum caliber law will change.

Its coming in the next few years.

Flooding the Police with variations they cant keep up with do you think?
 
“BIO-WAD'S GREEN CREDENTIALS

Gamebore's Bio-Wad material is water soluble and fully biodegradable, conforming to the CEN 13432 European standard for compostability. This standard covers:

Ecotoxicity (does not impede plant growth)
Heavy metal content (does not contain heavy metals above the permitted level)
Biodegradability ISO 14851 (conducted in an aqueous environment)
Disintegration - Compost (breaks down passing through a 2mm sieve after 12 weeks composting)”

All sounds very good, but just because the material conforms to CEN 13432 does not mean the product will ie the wad Express we’re guilty of this with their earth wad.
Then the standard for compostability can mean industrial composting in an environment with high temperatures that we will never see in the countryside.
Then what of the material once it dissolves in water, my understanding is PVA which is used in some wads is toxic especially to fish.

The race to deliver eco friendly wads has resulted in the cartridge manufactures creating their own unique products, with the exception of Eley who use the wads made by a spanish firm who got millions of euros in grants to developer them. Is it not strange that the independent wad manufacturers like say Gualandi has so far stayed away from the producing any.

Plastic pollution is a major world wide problem, if it was simple to produce biodegradable plastic then an industry worth billions more that that of shooting would have do so. All we can do is use what’s on offer at this time.
Compostable and biodegradable are not the same,

Hence I believe as consumers the packaging should give far more information about the material used in the wad.


  • Biodegradable
    Materials that can break down into water, carbon dioxide, and biomass over time through the action of microorganisms. Biodegradable materials can be made from plant-based, animal-based, or natural mineral-based products. However, there's no time limit on how long it takes for biodegradable materials to break down, and they can take weeks, years, or even millennia. Biodegradable materials can also leave behind harmful oils and gases as they break down.

  • Compostable
    Materials that are designed to break down into water, carbon dioxide, and biomass within a specific time frame and under specific conditions. Compostable materials are made from organic matter, like cornstarch, sugarcane, or potato starch. They are designed to be processed in composting facilities, where the right temperature and moisture conditions turn the materials into soil conditioner.
Compostable materials are generally considered a safer and greener option than biodegradable materials. However, compostable materials can't always be disposed of in home compost bins and need to be taken to special facilities.

To ensure that a product is truly compostable, you can check for compostable certifications. The Biodegradable Product Institute (BPI) and Compost Manufacturing Alliance (CMA) are two organizations that independently verify that products meet compostability standards.


 
Then what of the material once it dissolves in water, my understanding is PVA which is used in some wads is toxic especially to fish.
But do you not realise that this is the next process in the "ban it" agenda. Ban lead shot then next start the attack on plastic wads and a call to ban those too. Except of course for the self-appointed coterie of so called "Olympic sports competitors".

There will be soon after the lead ban takes effect in a few years time clear plastic bin liner bag after clear plastic bin liner bag of recovered plastic wads being displayed by the usual suspect "eco justice warriors" to the aghast press with the headlines "Shooters dumping xxx tons of single use plastic in UK countryside".

And the ban it agenda hasn't even started on the apparent carcinogenic properties of tungsten...
 
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I think the reason for rushing this nonsense through and rushing to accept it all by some is due to the vein belief it will appease any or all anti blood sport communists and those in authority with anti agenda vote scoring narratives. It won't, they will be back for more and more and more.
 
Yes. Danegeld minted and distributed direct from Marford Mill...
To be fair (and I am not a BASC member).i think they will be gutted by the recommendations / proposal.
I think they knew it was coming, and tried self regulation to show willingness to change some aspects of the sport.

Unfortunately it didn't work. And regaless of their input the result would have been the same.
 
To be fair (and I am not a BASC member).i think they will be gutted by the recommendations / proposal.
I think they knew it was coming, and tried self regulation to show willingness to change some aspects of the sport.

Unfortunately it didn't work. And regaless of their input the result would have been the same.
Proof brown nosing don't work.

Should of just told them no, we will not comply, called their bluff. If it went bad so be it.
Then we would be known around the globe as a nation of poachers until they woke up and opened new channels of legal hunting.

It wouldn't come to that because mcstuffy from stuffy hall needs his gamekeeper and he would get the message across that this nonsense needs to stop.

Instead of tickling the dragons tail in the vein hope it won't bite is pathetic. Shoot the bastard thing!
 
So we can use the .22 centre fires with lead but not the .243 which doesn't handle non toxic. Well the 22/250 seemed to work ok when larger tools were banned across the water.
So no worries. 😎
You can still use .243 as it uses a 6mm projectile
 
A freedom of info application to see what all this nonsense has cost the tax payer is the biggest stick to beat them with. It may be factually correct that lead has detrimental effect environmentally. What about that brew the nation loves of a morning, shipped half way round the world? The hypocrisy is maddening.
 
You can still use .243 as it uses a 6mm projectile
That’s what I initially thought as I own one, but don’t reload. however .243” x 25.4mm = 6.1722mm. The hse has suggested a lead ban for all calibres at 6.17mm or greater, so .243 would be caught. (As would 6mm creedmoor as I think it’s actually 6.2mm?)

The hse link posted earlier actually referred to the recent separate change in Scottish legislation, that means .243 win can be used with copper in most existing rifles now for all deer (a lowering of min bullet weight from 100grns to 80), as justification for not including the .243 calibre as being exempt from a proposed lead ban; frustratingly so!

I think the only option to shoot deer with lead, post ban, up here would be .22 centre fire calibre with min 50grns shooting only roe! Why hse appears content to allow roe to be shot, and enter the food chain using lead bullets, but not red deer for example, escapes me!
 
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To be fair (and I am not a BASC member).i think they will be gutted by the recommendations / proposal.
I think they knew it was coming, and tried self regulation to show willingness to change some aspects of the sport.

Unfortunately it didn't work. And regaless of their input the result would have been the same.

Agree and nobody knew that a pandemic and ukraine war was the future when the five year transition was announced.

The idea was ambitious given the goal of not only non toxic shot but a environmentally friendly wad, because Denmark for example was already getting bad press due to pollution from single use wads.

It has all made it very challenging to deliver a cartridge at a price point that competes with lead shot in a fibre wad cartridge.

Lets hope the next five years can deliver that goal.
 
That’s what I initially thought as I own one, but don’t reload. however .243” x 25.4mm = 6.1722mm. The hse has suggested a lead ban for all calibres at 6.17mm or greater, so .243 would be caught. (As would 6mm creedmoor as I think it’s actually 6.2mm?)

The hse link posted earlier actually referred to the recent separate change in Scottish legislation, that means .243 win can be used with copper in most existing rifles now for all deer (a lowering of min bullet weight from 100grns to 80), as justification for not including the .243 calibre as being exempt from a proposed lead ban; frustratingly so!

I think the only option to shoot deer with lead, post ban, up here would be .22 centre fire calibre with min 50grns shooting only roe! Why hse appears content to allow roe to be shot, and enter the food chain using lead bullets, but not red deer for example, escapes me!
You, rightfully assume they know what they are talking about!
They may of just looked at a box of 6mm/243 bullets and thought that'll do to allow 243 off the hook.
 
You, rightfully assume they know what they are talking about!
They may of just looked at a box of 6mm/243 bullets and thought that'll do to allow 243 off the hook.
You may well be correct on that on. Bureaucrats tend not to question what’s written down, just apply “the rules”.

Bit like the said changes to min bullet weight up here for all deer (bar roe) when they dropped the min weight to 80grns but still expect the same muzzle energy to be attained 🤔🤔🤔, at least that’s what the legislation asks for: so must be achievable? 🤷🏻👏👏👏
 
You, rightfully assume they know what they are talking about!
They may of just looked at a box of 6mm/243 bullets and thought that'll do to allow 243 off the hook.
The proposal specifically says large calibre includes 243 (presumably all notionally 6mm bullets/calibre) and greater and small calibre excludes 243 and means’s anything smaller.
 
That’s what I initially thought as I own one, but don’t reload. however .243” x 25.4mm = 6.1722mm. The hse has suggested a lead ban for all calibres at 6.17mm or greater, so .243 would be caught. (As would 6mm creedmoor as I think it’s actually 6.2mm?)

The hse link posted earlier actually referred to the recent separate change in Scottish legislation, that means .243 win can be used with copper in most existing rifles now for all deer (a lowering of min bullet weight from 100grns to 80), as justification for not including the .243 calibre as being exempt from a proposed lead ban; frustratingly so!

I think the only option to shoot deer with lead, post ban, up here would be .22 centre fire calibre with min 50grns shooting only roe! Why hse appears content to allow roe to be shot, and enter the food chain using lead bullets, but not red deer for example, escapes me!
Yes, completely bizarre 👍
 
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