All combination gun users

[jonylandrover]

Good morning all, talk to me about combination guns, UK deer legal calibre.

Iv always wanted one and I'm looking at making the change, iv had an old midland gun company .243 for over 10 years and its tired and I was planning on replacing it with the combination gun in the same calibre, however the possibility of a looming lead ban this may not be so smart.

Iv got other calibres available in deer rifles, .270 and .30-30 for deer, but the lure of stalking round some of my permissions, sitting in a high seat with the option of the shot gun barrel for something else is very appealing.

what do you use? what would you get?

 

[Border]

Whatever rifle chambering you choose for the rifle barrel make sure that it is a rimmed (R) round.
Most popular over here are 7x57R and 7x65R.

 

[Mitscavitch]

Good morning all, talk to me about combination guns, UK deer legal calibre.

Iv always wanted one and I'm looking at making the change, iv had an old midland gun company .243 for over 10 years and its tired and I was planning on replacing it with the combination gun in the same calibre, however the possibility of a looming lead ban this may not be so smart.

Iv got other calibres available in deer rifles, .270 and .30-30 for deer, but the lure of stalking round some of my permissions, sitting in a high seat with the option of the shot gun barrel for something else is very appealing.

what do you use? what would you get?

Hi
I have Manlicher Duett in 222 and 12 bore. It is well balanced and has a gorgeous stock. I realise it is only suitable in Scotland but it would certainly be worth considering if you could find one in the calibre of your choice. Yes a great high seat gun if a fox should turn up. The trigger has a set position if you are used to that. I have detachable mounts with a GP 1-5 x 24 scope which is perfect for up to 100m. It is certainly worth considering if it's in your budget.
Alan

 

[Smellydog]

I can't really advise but I have owned two in 12g /22 H and one in 20g/22 wmr.

They all shoot rifle wise very well as the rifle is held well to a piece of stiff tube!

I dearly mis the versatility of them.
They really should be more popular.

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Whatever rifle chambering you choose for the rifle barrel make sure that it is a rimmed (R) round.
Most popular over here are 7x57R and 7x65R.

Interesting can you explain why please?

 

[Heym SR20]

I use a 16 bore over 7x65r made by Hambrusch in Ferlach. It’s my go to gun as it does give good flexibility without having to take two guns with me. With a 6x42 scope more than good enough for most shots.

You do have to concentrate on a good hold as given its lightweight/stock shape and enough recoil, if you forget techniques easy enough for shot to go high.

 

[Border]

Interesting can you explain why please?

Because most combination weapons only have extractors and a rimmed cartridge is easier to extract rather than a rimless. They are also generally loaded to less pressure than their rimless counterparts, not so much of an issue in modern Kipplaufs with a jaeger block lock up mechanism.

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Because most combination weapons only have extractors and a rimmed cartridge is easier to extract rather than a rimless. They are also generally loaded to less pressure than their rimless counterparts, not so much of an issue in modern Kipplaufs with a jaeger block lock up mechanism.

Ah excellent info- makes sense thanks

 

[Blaser243]

Depends how you want to use it.

My Blaser BD14 is 20ga/7x65r/.222 which is perfect for me. It’s a joy to own. Others might prefer two shotgun barrels, or two large rifle barrels and a small one. Depends how you plan to use it.

 

[enfieldspares]

Good morning all, talk to me about combination guns, UK deer legal calibre.

If you are thinking of a drilling it's IMHO neither one thing nor the bloody other. Ideal for continental style shooting where, truly, a "mixed bag" in the forestry might be pheasants with the chance of deer or boar but in the UK?

Too much of a buggeration to carry about if all you are after is deer and too much like the balance of a weaver's beam if all you are after are pheasants. It's a specialist tool that does what it is meant to do very well.

But here in the UK? Maybe perhaps a bochbuchsflinte, yes, that would still handle well for the bids yet light enough to carry on the hill but a drilling no. It's too awkward handling for the birds and too heavy for the hill.

 

[Smellydog]

If you are thinking of a drilling it's IMHO neither one thing nor the bloody other. Ideal for continental style shooting where, truly, a "mixed bag" in the forestry might be pheasants with the chance of deer or boar but in the UK?

Too much of a buggeration to carry about if all you are after is deer and too much like the balance of a weaver's beam if all you are after are pheasants. It's a specialist tool that does what it is meant to do very well.

But here in the UK? Maybe perhaps a bochbuchsflinte, yes, that would still handle well for the bids yet light enough to carry on the hill but a drilling no. It's too awkward handling for the birds and too heavy for the hill.

Nobody's asked about a drilling ol chap

 

[Brittany boy]

I had to google bochbuchsflinte looks ideal for a walk with the GWP, just as the Europeans would do, or Smelly

 

[Smellydog]

Because most combination weapons only have extractors and a rimmed cartridge is easier to extract rather than a rimless. They are also generally loaded to less pressure than their rimless counterparts, not so much of an issue in modern Kipplaufs with a jaeger block lock up mechanism.

So how come these work?

Beautiful Winchester 12 gauge/30-06 combination gun

Beautiful Winchester 12 gauge/30-06 combination gun - GTA Gun auctions

www.onlinehuntingauctions.com

 

[Border]

So how come these work?

Beautiful Winchester 12 gauge/30-06 combination gun

Beautiful Winchester 12 gauge/30-06 combination gun - GTA Gun auctions

www.onlinehuntingauctions.com

Not that they don't work, just don't work optimally.
Have seen plenty of combi's chambered in 222Rem, 6.5x55, 308w & 30-06. Just not as popular as rimmed R cartridges.

 

[Smellydog]

Not that they don't work, just don't work optimally.
Have seen plenty of combi's chambered in 222Rem, 6.5x55, 308w & 30-06. Just not as popular as rimmed R cartridges.

Hmm, define optimally?
The only reason I see for using a rimmed cartridge is for ease of extraction mechanisms.

A rimless break action will have to use an articulated extractor of some kind.
Possibly weaker??
Is that what you mean?

 

[Border]

Hmm, define optimally?
The only reason I see for using a rimmed cartridge is for ease of extraction mechanisms.

A rimless break action will have to use an articulated extractor of some kind.
Possibly weaker??
Is that what you mean?

Possibly. Not so easy to hook out the case from the bottom barrel of a combi, often with a scope mount that hangs back over the breech.
I don't own a combi yet but have hunted with break action firearms in both rimmed and rimless cartridges.
Rimmed or rimless is not a deal breaker should the dream rifle come up, however I will stick to the advice given of using a R cartridge.

 

[Jagare]

So how come these work?

Beautiful Winchester 12 gauge/30-06 combination gun

Beautiful Winchester 12 gauge/30-06 combination gun - GTA Gun auctions

www.onlinehuntingauctions.com

A good friend of mine has a Winchester Diamond grade combi in 12x 30-06. A very nice well made bit of kit it is too.

 

[Jagare]

I have a Merkel combi in 12x 7x57r. Rifle barrel plenty accurate enough for stalking. Great gun if your hunting roe deer with a dog.
Mine has a factory, claw mounted, Khales scope on it of 1976 vintage that has glass that is as clear now as any of the other German glass I have.
I did once shoot a moose with it.

 

[Heym SR20]

Mine has an all up weight of just over 7lbs so really is a nice lightweight carrying gun. It also takes down so you can put it in a pack for a long carry in. And very easy to transport if travelling.

It handles like a nice little 26” barreled 16 bore game gun, and shots really well on ducks, phaesants etc.

The 7x65r cartridge shoots a 140 gn bullet at c2800 fps, or it can go up to a 173 gn Brenneke bullet. My go to load these days is the RWS 140gn HIT which is fast and flat shooting.

With a rimmed case, a quick turn of wrists just means the empty falls out. It is as quick to reload as a shotgun.

If I am taking it I generally do put a handful of shot cartridges in my pocket. But I don’t load both barrels. If I am bird hunting scope is off and its used a shotgun. If I need the rifle - easy enough to drop in a cartridge.

 

[Dunwaters]

Unless you’re on the continent or involved in driven hunting I just don’t see the attraction.
If you’re out stalking and prone to popping off at rabbits and pigeons as opportunity offers, you won’t shoot many deer. If you’re out for rabbits and pigeons you don’t need a full bore.
Then theres the 2 certs requirement for a single firearm.
Not for me thanks, I just don’t have that itch.