BASC update on ringfencing of firearms licensing fees

I have written the below to my MP, two days ago, who has said that he will now raise this with the Home Office. Could I please urge other SD members and indeed ask if BASC will lobby their Parliamentary cohort as I will also be asking the CPSA to do.

Where are the principles of full cost recovery fees being operated for the Pedlars' Licence?

The attachment:


The letter:

You will know that from past conversation that I shoot and hold both a Firearms Certificate and a Shotgun Certificate. My invitation to visit Normanton Shooting Ground with me still stands. The fees for these certificates have recently been greatly increased. I am aware that similar increases of Home Office fee levels have been done to some £1600 and £1200 respectively for an adult and an under eighteen to apply for naturalisation as British citizens.

I am therefore puzzled, much puzzled in fact, to understand why the Home Office set fee for the grant of a Pedlars' Certificate remains at the £12.25 that was set by then Home Secretary Douglas Hurd in 1985. Being lifted from its 1983 price of £10.50 to that 1985 £12.25 which it still remains at now forty years later! See the attachment to this email.

Is this not unfair on the two cohorts above that their fees payable have increased but not these Pedlars' Certificate fees?

Using the Bank of England's own online Inflation Calculator engine suggests a modern figure would be some £35 and, of course, that is based on their inflation index "engine" and not on any model based on actual policing time costs.

One cannot help by feel that there is one Home Office rule for the shooting community and for those lawful qualifying UK foreign residents who wish to seek citizenship and another rule for commercial street vendors who are no more nor less in fact but independent entrepreneurs. Which business costs therefore should not be being subsidised by local ratepayers that fund local policing and/or others who pay fees set by the Home Office.

Could I ask therefore given that it has been promised by Minister Mr McFadden that income tax, VAT and National Insurance rates will not rise to pay for yesterday's planned welfare legislation that the Home Secretary be asked why the Pedlars' Certificate remains at the same level as set in 1985?

Because by not raising it (and its fine for non-compliance) is this not local Council Tax payers and or national taxpayers massively subsidising these Pedlars' Certificates when their money will now be being called upon to cover the cost of the result of yesterday's proceedings.

I look forward to the Government's reply regarding this £12.25 remaining unchanged for now four decades.
 
I have written the below to my MP, two days ago, who has said that he will now raise this with the Home Office. Could I please urge other SD members and indeed ask if BASC will lobby their Parliamentary cohort as I will also be asking the CPSA to do.

Where are the principles of full cost recovery fees being operated for the Pedlars' Licence?

The attachment:


The letter:

You will know that from past conversation that I shoot and hold both a Firearms Certificate and a Shotgun Certificate. My invitation to visit Normanton Shooting Ground with me still stands. The fees for these certificates have recently been greatly increased. I am aware that similar increases of Home Office fee levels have been done to some £1600 and £1200 respectively for an adult and an under eighteen to apply for naturalisation as British citizens.

I am therefore puzzled, much puzzled in fact, to understand why the Home Office set fee for the grant of a Pedlars' Certificate remains at the £12.25 that was set by then Home Secretary Douglas Hurd in 1985. Being lifted from its 1983 price of £10.50 to that 1985 £12.25 which it still remains at now forty years later! See the attachment to this email.

Is this not unfair on the two cohorts above that their fees payable have increased but not these Pedlars' Certificate fees?

Using the Bank of England's own online Inflation Calculator engine suggests a modern figure would be some £35 and, of course, that is based on their inflation index "engine" and not on any model based on actual policing time costs.

One cannot help by feel that there is one Home Office rule for the shooting community and for those lawful qualifying UK foreign residents who wish to seek citizenship and another rule for commercial street vendors who are no more nor less in fact but independent entrepreneurs. Which business costs therefore should not be being subsidised by local ratepayers that fund local policing and/or others who pay fees set by the Home Office.

Could I ask therefore given that it has been promised by Minister Mr McFadden that income tax, VAT and National Insurance rates will not rise to pay for yesterday's planned welfare legislation that the Home Secretary be asked why the Pedlars' Certificate remains at the same level as set in 1985?

Because by not raising it (and its fine for non-compliance) is this not local Council Tax payers and or national taxpayers massively subsidising these Pedlars' Certificates when their money will now be being called upon to cover the cost of the result of yesterday's proceedings.

I look forward to the Government's reply regarding this £12.25 remaining unchanged for now four decades.
I don't envisage BASC getting involved in 'whataboutery' lobbying that will simply lead to a rise in pedlar's certificates.
 
I don't envisage BASC getting involved in 'whataboutery' lobbying that will simply lead to a rise in pedlar's certificates.
So you are happy for the likely inevitable consequence that increased firearms fees as they are not ring fenced will be subsidising Pedlars' Licences?

I really do fail to comprehend BASC. Firearms licences are about public safety. Pedlars' Licences are enabling individuals to trade for profit. Yet the issue of their licences now burdens the public purse as full cost is no longer being recovered. Indeed I'd suggest like the Dog Licence did it costs more to collect that the revenue it raises.

They complain that firearms fees have increased yet fail to then compare that logic of "full cost recovery" being only then selectively applied by the Home Office. For surely is that not the whole point. Either full cost recovery across all such licences and Home Office administrative functions or else it is unfair.

I am glad I long ago ceased subsiding MPs' driven days at Catton Hall by no longer being a BASC member. Couldn't lobby their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
So you are happy for the likely inevitable consequence that increased firearms fees as they are not ring fenced will be subsidising Pedlars' Licences?

I really do fail to comprehend BASC. Firearms licences are about public safety. Pedlars' Licences are enabling individuals to trade for profit. Yet the issue of their licences now burdens the public purse as full cost is no longer being recovered. Indeed I'd suggest like the Dog Licence did it costs more to collect that the revenue it raises.

They complain that firearms fees have increased yet fail to then compare that logic of "full cost recovery" being only then selectively applied by the Home Office. For surely is that not the whole point. Either full cost recovery across all such licences and Home Office administrative functions or else it is unfair.

I am glad I long ago ceased subsiding MPs' driven days at Catton Hall by no longer being a BASC member. Couldn't lobby their way out of a wet paper bag.
BASC has been securing commitments by PCCs/CCs that firearms licensing fees will be ringfenced by their forces. That work continues and some updates to come soon. Your constant BASC bashing is tedious. You left BASC for CPSA yet you keep banging on about BASC on this forum. Have you heard back from CPSA yet on the HSE lead shot recommendations - the last update from CPSA was December 2024: "In early 2025 we will be setting up a working group of CPSA board members, ground operators & partners from the gun trade, to plan this potential key change for our sport in the coming years". Every time I ask you this on a thread where you are engaged in BASC bashing you then disappear.
 
OK. Let's leave this.
At days end it's the government, not BASC that is screwing us.
Conservative or Labour, non care about the countryside or those working in it.
 
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