Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

[timbrayford]

I was more interested in other events provided to members rather than courses.

Don't know off hand, probably something on the website somewhere?

 

[timbrayford]

NGO Deer Branch for those that are interested:- NGO Deer Branch | The National Gamekeepers Organisation

 

[Nots so bad lad]

Heard nowt

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I don’t wish to offend but hell will freeze over before I rejoin!

Hopefully one day you will change your mind. BASC is our first line of defence for shooting and deer stalkingm not to mention all the work that goes into promoting deer stalking and venison.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Absolutely not, I'm getting a far better deal with the NGO who themselves were formed by disgruntled BASC members. In my opinion you get a far better deal for less money and they've made far more sensible comments about the Government/LAG lead ban than BASC. But that's not all, there's much more to it than that. If you're a BASC member check out the NGO website and see if it wouldn't suit you better.

That's great and now that we know you are a passionate NGO member perhaps you might spend more time posting NGO updates on various key issues and perhaps less time BASC bashing. It is surely enough decades gone by now to now move on from whatever axes you had to grind with BASC back in the day.

 

[timbrayford]

That's great and now that we know you are a passionate NGO member perhaps you might spend more time posting NGO updates on various key issues and perhaps less time BASC bashing. It is surely enough decades gone by now to now move on from whatever axes you had to grind with BASC back in the day.

Not least of which petulant childish comments from BASC employees!

 

[sikasako]

Hopefully one day you will change your mind. BASC is our first line of defence for shooting and deer stalkingm not to mention all the work that goes into promoting deer stalking and venison.

Any update on BASC establishing a deer stalking scheme in Scotland for the benefit of its members?

I used to really enjoy participating in the Arran deer stalking scheme, but sadly this currently is not available, neither is there any BASC alternative in Scotland.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Not least of which petulant childish comments from BASC employees!

As a NGO member why do you regularly wade into BASC related threads for some BASC bashing given that its decades since you left BASC? The shooting organisations work together on key issues, such as the voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting, which has been supported by BASC and NGO. Perhaps drop the axe, it's decades overdue.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Hopefully one day you will change your mind. BASC is our first line of defence for shooting and deer stalkingm not to mention all the work that goes into promoting deer stalking and venison.

Nope I’ll NEVER give BASC another penny for as long as I live

Like I said no offence to yourself

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Any update on BASC establishing a deer stalking scheme in Scotland for the benefit of its members?

I used to really enjoy participating in the Arran deer stalking scheme, but sadly this currently is not available, neither is there any BASC alternative in Scotland.

Nothing to update as yet.

BASC Scotland has been pushing for a community-integrated approach which utilises local recreational stalkers to achieve outcomes that are cost-effective. This would reduce the cost to the taxpayer of contracts issued by FLS on the publicly owned forestry estate. A simple Scandinavian approach would work well here. If the Scottish Government wants to increase the number of deer culled each year, then it must ensure the venison supply chain is equipped to handle the additional volume. That means investment in community larders, cold storage facilities, and local processing capacity, particularly in rural areas where access is most limited. Without that investment, we risk creating a bottleneck – more deer shot but nowhere to take them, leading to waste, frustration and loss of public trust.

Mandatory training will shut out stalkers when Scotland needs them most

BASC Scotland director warns that proposals in the Natural Environment Bill risk undermining deer management in Scotland.

basc.org.uk

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Nope I’ll NEVER give BASC another penny for as long as I live

Like I said no offence to yourself

That's a pity given what BASC does to promote and protect deer stalking. Is there any organisation doing what you want to see on the deer stalking front?

 

[timbrayford]

As a NGO member why do you regularly wade into BASC related threads for some BASC bashing given that its decades since you left BASC? The shooting organisations work together on key issues, such as the voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting, which has been supported by BASC and NGO. Perhaps drop the axe, it's decades overdue.

Not whilst people like yourself at BASC continue to make extravagant "voice of shooting" type claims which is far from the case. And I wasn't intending to drag up all that unseemly LAG/Packham/Swift/BASC/WJ support for the lead ban stuff over again as its been done to death both here on SD, other social media and forum sites. As for decades, I make it 2 or 3 years, so that's just another fact that you're way out of order on!

 

[Hazlett]

A few years ago, I was on the phone to Martin Edwards, discussing deer management in England. One of my topics (for context, in the south, mainly fallow (and muntjac)) is new landowners with little land-management experience and stalkers who are getting on a bit and starting to avoid shooting wet/steep/tricky ground and creating sanctuaries. How do these new landowners get in touch with reliable people who will actually work to wider landscape deer cull ambitions (rather than just shoot prickets/fondle their portfolio of permissions/nurture a thriving population of deer etc)? And where landowners have long-established stalkers who need help to work effectively, how can they find 'youngsters' who can help with the work without the stalker suffering paranoia of permission-theft?

In my view, the register of stalkers and the mentor scheme were developed to try and link landowners and stalkers up, with a view to both sides benefiting and at the bottom of it all, deer management improving.

For BASC to be taken seriously (and for everyone who looks at shooting deer from a wider perspective than his/her own FAC and permissions), deer management needs to be seen in a strategic context, regionally and by species. BASC would never be taken seriously if everything it did was based on satisfying its members wanting more land and more shooting.

So, here is a situation where BASC has developed a new initiative to try and link landowners with stalkers. How can anyone criticize that? So, some people have registered and they've heard nothing? Is that surprising? These things take time and, in this case, will be landowner led, so will definitely be a slow lead in. It should be seen as a new opportunity, not a life-line. Certainly, I don't see why BASC should take anything than recognition for putting in place one piece of a complicated jigsaw.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Not whilst people like yourself at BASC continue to make extravagant "voice of shooting" type claims which is far from the case. And I wasn't intending to drag up all that unseemly LAG/Packham/Swift/BASC/WJ support for the lead ban stuff over again as its been done to death both here on SD, other social media and forum sites. As for decades, I make it 2 or 3 years, so that's just another fact that you're way out of order on!

I am not aware of any, as you assert, "extravagant 'voice of shooting' type claims", much less in this thread so perhaps you could explain what motivated you to start BASC bashing in this thread?

 

[timbrayford]

I am not aware of any, as you assert, "extravagant 'voice of shooting' type claims", much less in this thread so perhaps you could explain what motivated you to start BASC bashing in this thread?

Just by making a valid observation of your post #42, which I stand by whether it irritates you or not!

 

[Mickeydredd]

So, here is a situation where BASC has developed a new initiative to try and link landowners with stalkers. How can anyone criticize that? So, some people have registered and they've heard nothing? Is that surprising? These things take time and, in this case, will be landowner led, so will definitely be a slow lead in. It should be seen as a new opportunity, not a life-line. Certainly, I don't see why BASC should take anything than recognition for putting in place one piece of a complicated jigsaw.

I presume you are fairly new to the Stalking Directory ?

 

[Bowland blades]

What was the purpose of the register?

BASC staff or mates getting hold of cheap or free stalking land ?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

That's a pity given what BASC does to promote and protect deer stalking. Is there any organisation doing what you want to see on the deer stalking front?

In my personal opinion, I couldn’t give a monkeys about the promotion of deer stalking by BASC or any of the organisations I see the whole lot of you as a waste of money better spent on one things.

 

[8x57]

BASC staff or mates getting hold of cheap or free stalking land ?

That was always going to be the allegation whatever the organisation be it BASC, NGO or even when the Deer Initiative was operating. I heard reports from good trusted friends of such things going on in the past with the D.I.

Therefore it should be essential that such a system should be operated honestly, fairly, and be open to scrutiny.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

A few years ago, I was on the phone to Martin Edwards, discussing deer management in England. One of my topics (for context, in the south, mainly fallow (and muntjac)) is new landowners with little land-management experience and stalkers who are getting on a bit and starting to avoid shooting wet/steep/tricky ground and creating sanctuaries. How do these new landowners get in touch with reliable people who will actually work to wider landscape deer cull ambitions (rather than just shoot prickets/fondle their portfolio of permissions/nurture a thriving population of deer etc)? And where landowners have long-established stalkers who need help to work effectively, how can they find 'youngsters' who can help with the work without the stalker suffering paranoia of permission-theft?

In my view, the register of stalkers and the mentor scheme were developed to try and link landowners and stalkers up, with a view to both sides benefiting and at the bottom of it all, deer management improving.

For BASC to be taken seriously (and for everyone who looks at shooting deer from a wider perspective than his/her own FAC and permissions), deer management needs to be seen in a strategic context, regionally and by species. BASC would never be taken seriously if everything it did was based on satisfying its members wanting more land and more shooting.

So, here is a situation where BASC has developed a new initiative to try and link landowners with stalkers. How can anyone criticize that? So, some people have registered and they've heard nothing? Is that surprising? These things take time and, in this case, will be landowner led, so will definitely be a slow lead in. It should be seen as a new opportunity, not a life-line. Certainly, I don't see why BASC should take anything than recognition for putting in place one piece of a complicated jigsaw.

There are a few people that like to wade into every BASC related thread to bash BASC but in my experience the majority of viewers and participants understand and see for themselves from those threads the good work that BASC does for shooting - deer stalking included.