Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

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Conor O'Gorman said:
If you or they heard of such unethical behaviour I hope it was acted on. The BASC register is doing no such thing and if anyone knows any different feel free to PM me in confidence and I will act on that.
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They did complain at the time but to no avail, and they also reported the incident on this forum once or twice for all to know when the subject came up in discussion.
I'll stress that it was about ten years ago and that BASC wasn't involved, it was another entity.

It's reassuring to hear that BASC won't tolerate such unethical behaviour.
 
The problems of BASC and sadly there are many are not down to the staff, I admit that I wish some of them would leave as I don't entirely trust their support of shooters, but the vast majority of staff I have met are both very hardworking and do the best they can. As the Italians say a fish rots from the head and in this case the head is council, staff can only carry out council's instruction. We elect the council so any problems are our fault, voter "turnout" is miniscule and should be better. There isn't really an excuse, frequently this might mean voting for the "least bad" option but it is important. Also why don't more of the more vociferous stand, it doesn't cost anything and if you feel you can do a better job please get stuck in.

David.
 
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Sunrise Stalker said:
"The BASC register of competent deer stalkers is an initiative which seeks to open up deer management opportunities for BASC members. The aim of the register is to connect experienced deer stalkers holding BASC membership with landowners, government agencies or institutional bodies looking for individuals to carry out deer management on their land."
basc.org.uk/deer/advice/register-of-competent-deer-stalkers/
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Here we go. Another sell-out in the pipeline. Let me guess...if you aren't on the list of "competent stalkers" you can't have deer on your ticket. Next stage is how do you define "competent"? Well...DSC 2 of course - as instructed and charged for by....BASC.
"oh it is critical to the survival of the sport you know...our Thothul Lithense depends upon it.
You wait, this is another "Swiftie" to shortly be sold to us by that paragon of moral virtue CO'G.
BASC are just rubbish. I think half of them are on the LACS payroll. At the rate they, the CA and the GCWT are going, they will all have two members left in 5 years. The rest of us recidivist carrot crunching cretins will be relegated to snares and rocks.
Time for a peasant's revolt.
 
Norfolk Deer Search said:
I’ve never been asked about DMQ, as for being on a so called competent register- well I’ve sort of come to the conclusion I’m too feral for that, full on tits in the sink, Get the job done no point getting on a register for it.😂😂
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I know some really highly qualified and heavily accredited toss-pots. I have shot, fished and stalked with entirely uneducated, and in a couple of cases, barely literate (really struggled with Cert renewals) people who know more about their quarry and the environment that supports them than anyone I have met. This is all so depressing. BASC used to be so good. Bill Harriman is about the last one worth a fig. Remember Mike Eveleigh? Ruddy genius. The rest are so wet, the only thing that surprises me is that they don't have snipe nesting in their underpants. Mind you...if they did, they could declare themselves SSSIs and have their own private little lead ban. Little enough lead in those pencils anyway. 💩
 
Chris Richardson said:
Why did you u turn on it then ? At least the SGA stick to what they believe not constantly capitulate
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Where have you been for 5 years? The voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting supported by nine organisations was a change in strategy based on many factors including accepting the science and political direction of travel. It was successful in many ways as discussed ad nauseum, not least bought us more time to transition away from lead shot, which is toxic to the many birds unfortunate enough to ingest it as grit or seed and many suffering a lingering death as a result. You refer to the SGA so is there a plan by your organisation to oppose the ban or has it 'capitulated' as you call it?
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
Where have you been for 5 years? The voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting supported by nine organisations was a change in strategy based on many factors including accepting the science and political direction of travel. It was successful in many ways as discussed ad nauseum, not least bought us more time to transition away from lead shot, which is toxic to the many birds unfortunate enough to ingest it as grit or seed and many suffering a lingering death as a result. You refer to the SGA so is there a plan by your organisation to oppose the ban or has it 'capitulated' as you call it?
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Chris Richardson said:
www.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk

Lead Shot Ammunition | Scottish Gamekeepers

The SGA is urging members and supporters to respond to the UK consultation on lead shot, issued by DEFRA’s new chemicals regulator, UK Reach.
www.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk www.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk


May have paraphrased slightly but at least they stick to their guns Connor maybe basc should learn from them
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No, you did not paraphrase, you attributed a successful BASC campaign to the SGA. Please be factual in your comments.
 
terrier1 said:
How many people do you think are going to finish shooting when lead is banned. Eg guns not proofed for none lead alternatives. And you going on about how steel and any other none lead ammunition are adequate. But top Olympic shooters will not be using it and that answers the question that it is crap. And if its not good enough to shoot a clay pigeon with then it's not good enough to shoot a living bird or animal with end of.
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Shooting will be fine, it will adapt, as we have seen in other countries, and thanks to the nine organisations that initiated the voluntary transition in 2020 there is no cliff edge ban here and we have until at least 2029 to adapt. There is a worldwide move away from lead shot for live quarry shooting. If you don't like steel shot then don't use it, it's your choice.
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
Where have you been for 5 years? The voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting supported by nine organisations was a change in strategy based on many factors including accepting the science and political direction of travel. It was successful in many ways as discussed ad nauseum, not least bought us more time to transition away from lead shot, which is toxic to the many birds unfortunate enough to ingest it as grit or seed and many suffering a lingering death as a result. You refer to the SGA so is there a plan by your organisation to oppose the ban or has it 'capitulated' as you call it?
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What “ new “ evidence was there ? Was it the same “ evidence “ during your no evidence no change stance ? With I should add zero consultation of your menses abd the minutes of lead discussions “ confidential “
 
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palmer_mike said:
It was wasn’t it.
It’s disappointing that there is no new significant evidence and there has been a drastic change
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There has been lots of new evidence and it continues to be published. If you wish to continue to deny the evidence that is your choice, however it is now a matter of when, not if, a lead shot ban comes into force here and in the EU.
 
hendrix's rifle said:
How many times Conor. Its BASC that's cocked up. You are certainly NOT the best defence for anything shooting related.

The words "voluntary ban" springs to mind....
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I think you are confusing youself by conflating the words 'ban' and 'voluntary' by stating 'voluntary ban'. I will ask you the same question that @Chris Richardson has so far been unable to answer....has anyone forced you to stop using lead shot for live quarry shooting since February 2020?
 
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