Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

[Conor O'Gorman]

The problems of BASC and sadly there are many are not down to the staff, I admit that I wish some of them would leave as I don't entirely trust their support of shooters, but the vast majority of staff I have met are both very hardworking and do the best they can. As the Italians say a fish rots from the head and in this case the head is council, staff can only carry out council's instruction. We elect the council so any problems are our fault, voter "turnout" is miniscule and should be better. There isn't really an excuse, frequently this might mean voting for the "least bad" option but it is important. Also why don't more of the more vociferous stand, it doesn't cost anything and if you feel you can do a better job please get stuck in.

David.

A question if I may - what are these 'problems of BASC'? The Association is firing on all cylinders across so many topics that I struggle to keep up TBH. Now is surely the time to get behind BASC, not knocking our premier representative Association protecting and promoting shooting at all levels.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Here we go. Another sell-out in the pipeline. Let me guess...if you aren't on the list of "competent stalkers" you can't have deer on your ticket. Next stage is how do you define "competent"? Well...DSC 2 of course - as instructed and charged for by....BASC.
"oh it is critical to the survival of the sport you know...our Thothul Lithense depends upon it.
You wait, this is another "Swiftie" to shortly be sold to us by that paragon of moral virtue CO'G.
BASC are just rubbish. I think half of them are on the LACS payroll. At the rate they, the CA and the GCWT are going, they will all have two members left in 5 years. The rest of us recidivist carrot crunching cretins will be relegated to snares and rocks.
Time for a peasant's revolt.

If you believe that half of BASC staff are on the LACS payroll then you have lost all credibilty on this forum.

 

[VSS]

Ah but they’re not transparent are they … that’s one of the biggest problems isn’t it , we know best …. Why ? We don’t have to tell you why …. Still at least it’s democratic

Any paid up member of an organisation can request a copy of the approved minutes of any council meeting.
However, I've been on enough committees in my time to know that there are occasions when it is neccessary to put a meeting into "closed session" and to keep minutes confidential.
(An example of this would be where an organisation owns properties, and it becomes necessary for the committee to discuss the financial affairs of the tenant before deciding whether to renew their lease. It is right and proper that the tenant's financial affairs remain confidential. For example, a tenant farmer of the RSPB).

In the case of lead, I cannot see any reason for BASC keeping the minutes of their decision making process confidential unless, as I suspect, there was a general consensus among committee members that it was ok to throw some elements of the shooting community under the bus in order to save others, which, if it was widely known, would lose them support from the grassroots membership.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I suspect, there was a general consensus among committee members that it was ok to throw some elements of the industry under the bus in order to save others which, if it was widely known, would lose them support from the grassroots membership.

I reckon you have knocked the nail on the head right there!

 

[VSS]

I reckon you have knocked the nail on the head right there!

I reckon so too.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I know some really highly qualified and heavily accredited toss-pots. I have shot, fished and stalked with entirely uneducated, and in a couple of cases, barely literate (really struggled with Cert renewals) people who know more about their quarry and the environment that supports them than anyone I have met. This is all so depressing. BASC used to be so good. Bill Harriman is about the last one worth a fig. Remember Mike Eveleigh? Ruddy genius. The rest are so wet, the only thing that surprises me is that they don't have snipe nesting in their underpants. Mind you...if they did, they could declare themselves SSSIs and have their own private little lead ban. Little enough lead in those pencils anyway.

Actually, BASC continues to be a rather effective Association, with passionate and expert staff. Given that you are formulating a view and fantasising about the genitalia of BASC staff I would suggest having a chat with a shrink.

 

[Kalahari]

Just a few things:-
Lack of transparency.
The AGM is more controlled than the Chinese Communist Party meetings. An example of that was I was at the meeting, I used to go to most of them but came to the conclusion that it was a waste of time, I wanted to vote against John Swift being given life membership, it wouldn't have mattered if I was the only person voting against it, as a long term member I was entitled to a vote, but there was no opportunity to even vote we were just moved on to the next item! A further example, when the agenda moved onto "Matters Arising" our Mr. Cameron stated quite clearly that seeing nobody had submitted written items for this we would move on. Sorry but the whole point of "Matters Arising" is that they are points that cannot be mentioned in advance because they arise from the meeting itself.

I am afraid that I would have more respect if you admitted to some of the errors but I guess you can't. To quote you as members "the staff do not work for us". The members pay the staffs wages who should they be working for.

David.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

I would suggest having a chat with a shrink.

I LOVE the irony. If we said the same to yourself or our Heym we'd be accused of all sorts, as you have already done

Thanks for making my evening that bit brighter

 

[palmer_mike]

Are you a BASC member?

Not really relevant or anything to do with you Connor, I was talking to BTP not you

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Just a few things:-
Lack of transparency.
The AGM is more controlled than the Chinese Communist Party meetings. An example of that was I was at the meeting, I used to go to most of them but came to the conclusion that it was a waste of time, I wanted to vote against John Swift being given life membership, it wouldn't have mattered if I was the only person voting against it, as a long term member I was entitled to a vote, but there was no opportunity to even vote we were just moved on to the next item! A further example, when the agenda moved onto "Matters Arising" our Mr. Cameron stated quite clearly that seeing nobody had submitted written items for this we would move on. Sorry but the whole point of "Matters Arising" is that they are points that cannot be mentioned in advance because they arise from the meeting itself.

I am afraid that I would have more respect if you admitted to some of the errors but I guess you can't. To quote you as members "the staff do not work for us". The members pay the staffs wages who should they be working for.

David.

Its nice to see a more internal outlook as apose our external views. As much as I'd love to do something like yourself, I've not got the patience or ability to hold my tongue so much like @Norfolk Deer Search i doubt I'd last more than 10 minutes.

Im a sucker for calling it out as I see fit, rightly or wrongly

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Its nice to see a more internal outlook as apose our external views. As much as I'd love to do something like yourself, I've not got the patience or ability to hold my tongue so much like @Norfolk Deer Search i doubt I'd last more than 10 minutes.

Im a sucker for calling it out as I see fit, rightly or wrongly

Quite rightly as it should be

 

[Chris Richardson]

I reckon so too.

Still if we keep paying membership fees that’ll show em ….

 

[Chris Richardson]

A question if I may - what are these 'problems of BASC'? The Association is firing on all cylinders across so many topics that I struggle to keep up TBH. Now is surely the time to get behind BASC, not knocking our premier representative Association protecting and promoting shooting at all levels.

The delusion is unreal ….

 

[VSS]

Still if we keep paying membership fees that’ll show em ….

Regardless of all that, I do think it's time to end the degeneration of these threads into what amount to personal attacks on @Conor O'Gorman. To be fair to him, he's the only organisation rep who's bold enough to keep on sticking his head above the parapet. If only the feedback (be that negative or positive) could be kept civil, and ultimately constructive, then perhaps he'll feed it back to where it needs to go.
Think on it.
Here we have an opportunity for rank-and-file shooters and non BASC members to get their views across. Don't abuse it.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Regardless of all that, I do think it's time to end the degeneration of these threads into what amount to personal attacks on @Conor O'Gorman. To be fair to him, he's the only organisation rep who's bold enough to keep on sticking his head above the parapet. If only the feedback (be that negative or positive) could be kept civil, and ultimately constructive, then perhaps he'll feed it back to where it needs to go.
Think on it.
Here we have an opportunity for rank-and-file shooters and non BASC members to get their views across. Don't abuse it.

Like I said earlier he’s paid lip service!

If he’s paid for his posting then he should get the stick, because he’s paid to receive it!

 

[VSS]

Like I said earlier he’s paid lip service!

If he’s paid for his posting then he should get the stick, because he’s paid to receive it!

You missed my point.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Regardless of all that, I do think it's time to end the degeneration of these threads into what amount to personal attacks on @Conor O'Gorman. To be fair to him, he's the only organisation rep who's bold enough to keep on sticking his head above the parapet. If only the feedback (be that negative or positive) could be kept civil, and ultimately constructive, then perhaps he'll feed it back to where it needs to go.
Think on it.
Here we have an opportunity for rank-and-file shooters and non BASC members to get their views across. Don't abuse it.

You see that’s where I’ll beg to differ I’m afraid, they’re not personal attacks , more criticism ( well deserved too ) for the organisation that Connor represents, now given the level of deflection and untruths he’s told on here I can’t really see a defence for him

 

[Chris Richardson]

A question if I may - what are these 'problems of BASC'? The Association is firing on all cylinders across so many topics that I struggle to keep up TBH. Now is surely the time to get behind BASC, not knocking our premier representative Association protecting and promoting shooting at all levels.

@VSS an example of delusion and untruths

 

[VSS]

You see that’s where I’ll beg to differ I’m afraid, they’re not personal attacks , more criticism ( well deserved too ) for the organisation that Connor represents, now given the level of deflection and untruths he’s told on here I can’t really see a defence for him

Ok, so why not phrase those criticisms in a way that the the representative can take them back to the organisation that he represents, and hopefully come back to us with some answers?

I'll give it a try:

@Conor O'Gorman, can you please find out for us why it is that the minutes of some committee meetings relating to BASC's stance on lead ammunition have been deemed confidential, and are therefore unavailable to members?
Thank you.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Ok, so why not phrase those criticisms in a way that the the representative can take them back to the organisation that he represents, and hopefully come back to us with some answers?

I'll give it a try:

@Conor O'Gorman, can you please find out for us why it is that the minutes of some committee meetings relating to BASC's stance on lead ammunition have been deemed confidential, and are therefore unavailable to members?
Thank you.

I did on a previous thread , funnily enough it was ignored, so you really think they’ll tell you why they were confidential? ( we all know why by the way ) I’m afraid the time for please and thank you’s is over in this case as I said previously there is no defence for him or the organisation he is paid by