TheOldTool
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OK< the application is submitted! I went just for the 6.5 - I guess I can discuss at the interview......I have been using a 6.5 creedmoor for my takes and stalks so far, both my mentors use this calibre.
New application - calibres to apply for?
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Well done on getting good mentors who know what rifle is best
In all honesty there is very little difference between the deer legal offerings...put the bullet in the right place and thats what counts. A .243 round in the correct place will always beet a creed/.270 etc etc in the wrong place
But a 50 cal even in the wrong place beats them all.Well done on getting good mentors who know what rifle is best
8x57
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Looks like you've got all your ducks in a row and shouldn't have any problems with your application.
As others have already suggested you really need to have a .22lr (plus a moderator) as well.
I'm not knocking the Creedmoor (good choice) but will you be intending to use it on the range with your rifle club, and does the club have it's own range or does it use an M.O.D. range? If the later you should be conscious of the fact that there is currently a restriction on the Creedmoor on most M.O.D. ranges in which case you would be better off with a .308win.
Personally if just starting out I would also apply for a .223rem, cheaper to shoot for both target and for vermin and the smaller deer species (within the restraints of the various deer acts).
Three rifles plus their moderators isn't unreasonable for an initial grant, you don't have to buy them all at once, if at all. Also having a spare slot on your FAC can be beneficial and can save you money in future variation fees.
So it would seem you have all and more than enough requirements for justification for multiple.
Think what you will be using - if your shooting deer a 6.5mm thin barrelled stalking rifle and light weight mod is great. This will not be useful if you plan to do PRS style competition style shooting. - you may need two then - stalking rifle and target rifle. Equally you may be happy with the one and just appreciate the limitations.
I wouldn’t add stuff just because you can - add it if you have a job / need for it - plan five years ahead so will you be foxing etc and need a second rifle.
A .22rf and smaller centre fire like a .223 is useful for rifle range practice instead of using deer rifle at the range all the time. Easier to justify if you have a known job for it rather than hypothetical need.
Second deer rifle ? Does your living depend on it ?
A rifle out of action for a month ? Or 3 months what would the issue be ?
Equally get the rifle you need - use it , and when you have need for something else just ask - the issue is the wait but it’s getting better with variation times etc.
Think what you will be using - if your shooting deer a 6.5mm thin barrelled stalking rifle and light weight mod is great. This will not be useful if you plan to do PRS style competition style shooting. - you may need two then - stalking rifle and target rifle. Equally you may be happy with the one and just appreciate the limitations.
I wouldn’t add stuff just because you can - add it if you have a job / need for it - plan five years ahead so will you be foxing etc and need a second rifle.
A .22rf and smaller centre fire like a .223 is useful for rifle range practice instead of using deer rifle at the range all the time. Easier to justify if you have a known job for it rather than hypothetical need.
Second deer rifle ? Does your living depend on it ?
A rifle out of action for a month ? Or 3 months what would the issue be ?
Equally get the rifle you need - use it , and when you have need for something else just ask - the issue is the wait but it’s getting better with variation times etc.
Heym SR20
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Keep a stalking rifle set up for stalking. By all means use a range for checking zero etc,
A stalking rifle will fire, one, perhaps two or three shots at a time at a deer sized target mostly within 200m. Often the animal will be on the move and only stAtionary for a moment or two, may well be with others, and you will be a taking a shot from usually less than perfect set up.
A stalking rifle is carried lots and shot little.
A rifle suitable for long range range shooting / targets etc is a different beast. It will have a heavier barrel for multiple shot strings, a more powerful abd heavier scope with a complex reticle and turrets and will usually shot from a steady position.
Mostly it will be carried perhaps 20 yards from the car to the firing point.
I would suggest have a dedicated stalking rifle and a dedicated target rifle.
A stalking rifle will fire, one, perhaps two or three shots at a time at a deer sized target mostly within 200m. Often the animal will be on the move and only stAtionary for a moment or two, may well be with others, and you will be a taking a shot from usually less than perfect set up.
A stalking rifle is carried lots and shot little.
A rifle suitable for long range range shooting / targets etc is a different beast. It will have a heavier barrel for multiple shot strings, a more powerful abd heavier scope with a complex reticle and turrets and will usually shot from a steady position.
Mostly it will be carried perhaps 20 yards from the car to the firing point.
I would suggest have a dedicated stalking rifle and a dedicated target rifle.
TheOldTool
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Good idea.....what is the procedure if you want to vary the application for example after and as a result of the FEO visit? If I mention that subsequent to my application, for the reasons suggested above, that I should add a couple of slots and he agrees with that and says he would have no issue......what happens? can the application be amended?
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8x57
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Discuss it with the FEO when they visit. I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be amended there and then, that's what I've done on a couple of occasions usually at the suggestion of the FEO who said something like "you might like to add". It saves them time and effort in the long run.
Sounds like you've done a lot of prep - nice one! I share others' sentiments about having a smaller rifle in your arsenal for vermin. Nearly £3 a pop for creedmoor ammo is pretty painful.
For what it's worth I started off with 6.5 and a 17HMR
...Then paid for a variation for .223
...Then paid for a variation for 7mm PRC
It's been an expensive learning curve!
For what it's worth I started off with 6.5 and a 17HMR
...Then paid for a variation for .223
...Then paid for a variation for 7mm PRC
It's been an expensive learning curve!
.22lr
.243 or 6.5 for fox, roe, muntjac
7x57, .308, .270 for larger deer. If you target shoot them .308 gives you lots of options.
If you want a dedicated fox gun then a 22/250 might be nice.
You could use the .308 for everything, albeit you might get meat damage on muntjac, something I’ve no experience of.
.243 or 6.5 for fox, roe, muntjac
7x57, .308, .270 for larger deer. If you target shoot them .308 gives you lots of options.
If you want a dedicated fox gun then a 22/250 might be nice.
You could use the .308 for everything, albeit you might get meat damage on muntjac, something I’ve no experience of.
6.5 (or .243) will put all of the UK deer species on the deck with little trouble so not sure you need something bigger. Bullet placement is the important bit with the smaller deer. Whilst I use a 6.5 Creed a mate has a 6.5/.284 and the chest shot CWD I have seen him shoot would lose a good part of the front end.
The good thing is that we are all different as this would be a boring forum otherwise
Seconded, the Roe that I've hit in the shoulder with CM have pretty much ruined the entire opposite shoulder on exit. That's with Sako gamehead ammo - solid copper could be worth a go I suppose.6.5 (or .243) will put all of the UK deer species on the deck with little trouble so not sure you need something bigger. Bullet placement is the important bit with the smaller deer. Whilst I use a 6.5 Creed a mate has a 6.5/.284 and the chest shot CWD I have seen him shoot would lose a good part of the front end.
The good thing is that we are all different as this would be a boring forum otherwise
Im just moving to copper in the creed so going to be using Sako Blade next week (hopefully if any deer show). If the bullet hits bone it will make a mess regardless. I've lost a fair bit of meat on front shoulders of fallow with the creed and also had to consign a roe to dog food as the .243 caught bone and turned 90 degrees turning its insides into green mush. To be fair with a creed we should be able to shoot anything within a mile in the head
100% but the skinny jeans play merry hell with my firing positions, I tell youIm just moving to copper in the creed so going to be using Sako Blade next week (hopefully if any deer show). If the bullet hits bone it will make a mess regardless. I've lost a fair bit of meat on front shoulders of fallow with the creed and also had to consign a roe to dog food as the .243 caught bone and turned 90 degrees turning its insides into green mush. To be fair with a creed we should be able to shoot anything within a mile in the head
If you go to a specialist shop and ask for trousers for a creedmoor owner they will remove a section at the rear that releases a bit of pressure
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