Fac refused ,Not enough medical history
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Bo Diddley
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How times have changed.
I'm 58, and my first home visit was by a local "Bobby", He arrived in a police car, and that in itself caused a stir in the village 50 years ago, now we hear sirens every day almost, the visit lasted all of 10 minutes, a few words as he inspected the cabinet I'd fixed to the wall.... and everything was good to go, I got my certificate in the post a few weeks later. The good old days.
Fast forward to the last home visit and it felt like the chap was looking for any excuse. First question was, "Have you got a burglar alarm". The second question was "Do you still own a dog?", yes, we have three... "They are very quiet, I didn't hear them bark when I knocked on your door"... You couldn't make some of this stuff up if you were asked to write a Monty Python sketch.
More serious than mine was my brother's, he was asked what qualifications he had for deer stalking... none, he replied. The feo said But you have three rifles down on your fac for stalking? Brother's reply was "Yes, that's correct, and I have controlled deer with them for the last 40 years and don't need a piece of paper to tell me that I know what I'm doing". So that was put to bed fairly quickly as well.
I'm 58, and my first home visit was by a local "Bobby", He arrived in a police car, and that in itself caused a stir in the village 50 years ago, now we hear sirens every day almost, the visit lasted all of 10 minutes, a few words as he inspected the cabinet I'd fixed to the wall.... and everything was good to go, I got my certificate in the post a few weeks later. The good old days.
Fast forward to the last home visit and it felt like the chap was looking for any excuse. First question was, "Have you got a burglar alarm". The second question was "Do you still own a dog?", yes, we have three... "They are very quiet, I didn't hear them bark when I knocked on your door"... You couldn't make some of this stuff up if you were asked to write a Monty Python sketch.
More serious than mine was my brother's, he was asked what qualifications he had for deer stalking... none, he replied. The feo said But you have three rifles down on your fac for stalking? Brother's reply was "Yes, that's correct, and I have controlled deer with them for the last 40 years and don't need a piece of paper to tell me that I know what I'm doing". So that was put to bed fairly quickly as well.
Rake Aboot
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Shotgun certificates are a right to which every British citizen is entitled.
Police have to provide good reason for refusal , we don’t have to provide good reason for owning a shotgun.
This needs to be reminded to everyone I think.
Bo Diddley
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Maybe, but i know of a case where the chap was told he dint really have " Good Reason " to own a shotgun because he hadnt used it enough since his last renewal. He did manage to get a renewal in the end.
There almost needs to be test case created by someone taking this sort of thing to court to challenge all the made up bull$hit. Obviously carefully selected to secure a few wins, maybe crowdfunded? The best barristers available eith s knowledge of the situation we all face.
Submits his dad's 'athletic sock' for DNA testing to prove his outstanding 2 years of medical history that, he was in fact, a twinkle in his daddy's eye!
Utterly preposterous this day and age!
I've said it before and i'll say it again...I totally understand why the Firearms Depts want to have a medical history of applicants, yet it is impossible to legislate against mental health to the enth degree. Anybody can be fine one day and in the pit of gloom the next without anyone else knowing, as long as the standard processes have been followed...unlike the Plymouth debacle...then any 'reasonable' person should be able to see that steps were taken to filter those suitable for holding a FAC.
They're purely interested in having a scape goat ready in the crosshairs in the event of the defacation hitting the oscillation. The most law abiding citizens in the country and we're being penalised for the shortfall of legislation and processes being applied CORRECTLY by the powers that be.
The big bodies that are in a position to challenge and push back against this are merely appearing to grab a pot of lube and bend over!
TringSaint
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Phew - just heard back from my GP and they have my full record!
Hopefully that’s one less tripwire to have to navigate!!
Hopefully that’s one less tripwire to have to navigate!!
And this is not because a dog could help your security.
It's so they know to bring scoobysnacks (or an animal handler) when/if the door kickers have to "come-a-knocking".
Good afternoon herts hunter,
Your friend should have been issued with a medical summary form (FMed133A) you receive when discharged, he will have needed this to register with a civilian GP, I would suggest he goes back to his GP and ask them if they still have this on record, if they do they have either not uploaded his records or not requested them, either way their mistake or laziness (sorry, oversight).
pete evans
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I was also, I said if you gave it a biscuit it would give you the safe keys
The only complaint about my recent renewal was the length of time it took. The FEO was really helpful and reassuring regarding my good reason to have a reasonably high number of FAC rifles. Only had one out of 4 or 5 FEO that seemed to think his job was to limit firearm ownership as much as he could
Bo Diddley
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Well, three of them would lick you to death, not so sure about the fourth one, she's a bit unpredictable... a Border Terrorist.
herts hunter
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Thanks for your responses, I have forwarded them onto my friend, he is going to see if he can develop a plan to gain full history, then reapply.
I have a Border Terrorist also
herts hunter
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They’re well known for grassing on their owners. Tread carefully
The whole "not enough med history" is crazy.
Surely it would be the last 10, 20 or 30 years that would matter and be enough.
Not having the last 10 but everything before then would be tricky, but not this.
We have a member born in Poland. He came here about 19 years ago and has full med history in the UK.
FLD wanted precious history but his old surgery destroy records if no contact for 20 years.
He had to go back to Poland, get a medical for a Polish firearms license (and believe me that's a bit more invasive than ours), get it translated and then submit it. He got his FAC.
Still no medical history before coming to the UK and much less than the OP's 35 years.
Surely it would be the last 10, 20 or 30 years that would matter and be enough.
Not having the last 10 but everything before then would be tricky, but not this.
We have a member born in Poland. He came here about 19 years ago and has full med history in the UK.
FLD wanted precious history but his old surgery destroy records if no contact for 20 years.
He had to go back to Poland, get a medical for a Polish firearms license (and believe me that's a bit more invasive than ours), get it translated and then submit it. He got his FAC.
Still no medical history before coming to the UK and much less than the OP's 35 years.
herts hunter
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Wow, your polish friend REALLY wanted his fac then. That’s some journey, great end result though.The whole "not enough med history" is crazy.
Surely it would be the last 10, 20 or 30 years that would matter and be enough.
Not having the last 10 but everything before then would be tricky, but not this.
We have a member born in Poland. He came here about 19 years ago and has full med history in the UK.
FLD wanted precious history but his old surgery destroy records if no contact for 20 years.
He had to go back to Poland, get a medical for a Polish firearms license (and believe me that's a bit more invasive than ours), get it translated and then submit it. He got his FAC.
Still no medical history before coming to the UK and much less than the OP's 35 years.
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