Where do you stand in regards to Hind Stalking Late?

[VSS]

Really?
Wouldn’t the foetus have expired pretty quick without the mother providing it with oxygen?

Yes. By the time you've waited a few minutes to ensure that the doe is down and staying there, then walked 100 yards or so to reach it, the foetus is well dead.
Having done a few posthumous cesarean sections on sheep, I can tell you that you have to cut bloody quick after killing the dam to have any chance of a live outcome. Not something that you're realistically ever going to come across in the field. Although, human nature being what it is, people do like to embellish their tales with improbable details.

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Best practice suggests that the best time to shoot muntjac does is when they are heavily pregnant for welfare reasons.
If a female deer is shot when pregnant at ANY stage before birth, then there are no welfare issues as no dependant fawn is orphaned.
Yes, it's not pleasant seeing a baby deer dead before birth, and if you don't like it then don't do it. But there is nothing wrong with shooting pregnant females - it is the key to population control..
MS

 

[Matt Roberts]

Unpleasant but necessary - Simple as that.

 

[palmer_mike]

Bad taste?, probably

Kutti pi - Wikipedia

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[WTMR]

What would you define as late? Thinking of taking a friend hind stalking first week of Jan. would be his first time on hinds and wondering if it might be a bit grim with large foetuses or not too bad?

 

[Subsistence]

What would you define as late? Thinking of taking a friend hind stalking first week of Jan. would be his first time on hinds and wondering if it might be a bit grim with large foetuses or not too bad?

I certainly not the most experienced by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't say early January was late in the season. Any unborn feotus would probably not yet be viable.

More experienced stalkers mat have a different opinion.

 

[Mike1979]

I certainly not the most experienced by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't say early January was late in the season. Any unborn feotus would probably not yet be viable.

More experienced stalkers mat have a different opinion.

Last week of Mar is late in the season. Appreciate it may not be appealing to have a large feotus but just part of process of deer control.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Shoot them up to the last minute of the last day of the season, infact they could bring it forward a month would’ve handy

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Hells hells vicar this one has been dragged out of the archives

 

[Buchan]

What would you define as late? Thinking of taking a friend hind stalking first week of Jan. would be his first time on hinds and wondering if it might be a bit grim with large foetuses or not too bad?

Grim would be down to a personal reaction. There is no welfare harm to the dam, or the foetus at that stage. Even early April, the likelihood is that there is no harm to the foetus.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I’m starting to wonder why people take up deer management, it’s almost like people don’t have the stomach for it.

 

[Chris Richardson]

I’m starting to wonder why people take up deer management, it’s almost like people don’t have the stomach for it.

Indeed and small wonder deer numbers are at record levels

 

[Mike1979]

I’m starting to wonder why people take up deer management, it’s almost like people don’t have the stomach for it.

Its odd that people can reconcile killing a deer and dressing it out yet the unborn foetus puts people off.

 

[WTMR]

this forum is something else. Don’t see anything wrong with considering it for a mates first day on hinds. It’s hardly a pleasant thing to see. Hopefully we all get stronger stomachs for Christmas

 

[Mike1979]

this forum is something else. Don’t see anything wrong with considering it for a mates first day on hinds. It’s hardly a pleasant thing to see. Hopefully we all get stronger stomachs for Christmas

Just remember that this site allows people with creedmoors on ...so is it any wonder there are these sort of conversations

Im less worried about the gralloch then I am about getting blood in my man buns

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

this forum is something else. Don’t see anything wrong with considering it for a mates first day on hinds. It’s hardly a pleasant thing to see. Hopefully we all get stronger stomachs for Christmas

Christmas Christ sake would have only just got going, not even warmed up and got into the flow!

I’ll still be going on the females until the last day of the season!

 

[Mike1979]

Christmas Christ sake would have only just got going, not even warmed up and got into the flow!

I’ll still be going on the females until the last day of the season!

I imagine you are still using flint tools You must have been upset with the deer act...stopped you using spears

 

[Hazlett]

In England, I think we really need to be pushing for the doe season to go to end of April. In addition to more time overall, that would bring a whole month's doe stalking to stalkers with full-time jobs.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

In England, I think we really need to be pushing for the doe season to go to end of April. In addition to more time overall, that would bring a whole month's doe stalking to stalkers with full-time jobs.

100% agree and to be brought forward a month and bucks to be all round

 

[Buchan]

Its odd that people can reconcile killing a deer and dressing it out yet the unborn foetus puts people off.

It isn't odd at all, it's quite normal, not least as we have evolved to nurture young animals, reinforced by lots of adverts, films, literature etc. I've seen examples of this all the time. Professional slaughtermen who won't be with a dog that is put to sleep, is one example. And, if you have a reasonable understanding of biology and know that the blood still contains oxygen even if the dam is killed, the foetus could still be alive. And it maybe, but it's likely it will not suffer.