Sweden - Gun Laws to be strengthened

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Once upon a time the government encouraged marksmanship skills to become widespread amongst the population. They encouraged this by establishing the sport of target shooting and subsidised rifles and ammunition. Rifles were military type and kept secure at the ranges, and members of clubs used the rifles under close supervision of Range Officers etc.

In much of Europe, government supported target shooting is still widespread with the clear aim of having plenty of civilians able to step up and defend the country if required.

As a country we need to starting funding again these sorts of activities and army Cadets, Scouts etc and reserve forces. Reserves don’t need to be fully trained part time military (as they currently are), but much more to have plenty of individuals who have a grasp of basic shooting and tactical skills, along with the ability to live in the field. If / when the **** hits the fan there will be a base level of skill, on which build new forces.

And for youngsters it will give them life skills and a sense of common purpose - all of which are highly needed.

I wouldn’t make it compulsory, but it would be long term investment in the next generations.
 
Foxyboy43 said:
As a long-time owner of an assortment of firearms and a defender of the right to own them I still, in all honesty, cannot see how ownership of a semi-auto centrefire rifle is justified or in truth a defendable position to take - I may be missing something but I know not what. What is the SD membership’s view?
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Another old thread returns :old:

Because it is like a salami sausage. A slice here, two slices there....

No body really notices, or if they do, console themselves that there's still "a lot left that we can have". Until one day when it is all gone. My late father was born in 1919. She died in 2014. During her lifetime the first Firearms Act was made law. By the time of her death pistols, revolvers, centrefire self-loading and centrefire pump action rifles were prohibited and multi-shot shotguns and over 12ft/lbs air weapons strictly controlled and "conventional" shotguns (plus in Scotland udner 12ft/lbs air weapons) tightly controlled.

And your or my not having have a need doesn't mean others don't.
 
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enfieldspares said:
Another old thread returns :old:

Because it is like a salami sausage. A slice here, two slices there....

No body really notices, or if they do, console themselves that there's still "a lot left that we can have". Until one day when it is all gone. My late father was born in 1919. She died in 2014. During her lifetime the first Firearms Act was made law. By the time of her death pistols, revolvers, centrefire self-loading and centrefire pump action rifles were prohibited and multi-shot shotguns and over 12ft/lbs air weapons strictly controlled and "conventional" shotguns (plus in Scotland udner 12ft/lbs air weapons) tightly controlled.

And your or my not having have a need doesn't mean others don't.
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Scuse me, as an aside, was your late father bi then when “she” died in 2014 and during “her” lifetime….
Just curious like…
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Where “one” comes from we still have pistols….
 
Foxyboy43 said:
Scuse me, as an aside, was your late father bi then when “she” died in 2014 and during “her” lifetime….
Just curious like…
🦊🦊
PS
Where “one” comes from we still have pistols….
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A bit of cross dressing never went amiss "at home" in our household. Ah. My father was born on 1907 and died in 1987 so in before the 1988 and 1996 Firearms Acts. My mother it was that was 1919 to 2014.
 
carlisleredneck said:
We had legally held handguns.
Somebody who legally held handguns shot up a primary school.
We banned legally held handguns.
It’s never happened again.
Handguns were not used for hunting (excluding human dispatch) or defence purposes in this country, they were for target hobby use only.
Derek bird used a shotgun and rifle to shoot 13 ( I think) people, these weren’t banned because they are of practical use.
Maybe gangsters who only tend to use guns against each other are less of a problem than middle aged white men with a Rambo complex? Just a thought.
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What you are missing is that at every mass shooting in the UK that the existing legislation at the time should have prevented the shooting if it had been properly applied by the firearms licensing team. As such no change in legislation was needed, only that the rules be properly applied. The changes in law have made us no safer and handgun crime has increased. Why should thousands of people lose their freedom when the shootings could have been prevented by due diligence. Do you not think that Dunblane would/could have happened if the sick oxygen thief Thomas Hamilton had only owned a couple of double barrel shotguns?
 
Well, it seems like the typical Swedish knee jerk reaction from the Swedish government. After the terrible shooting in Örebro the government said that AR type semi auto weapons would be banned for hunting use. As it stands at the moment, people who have AR type weapons for hunting will be able to keep them, although no new licences will be issued. Licences for normal semi autos will still be issued.
At the moment, you can have four hunting weapons with an extra two if you can prove need. This number will be increased to eight with an extra two if you can prove need. They are also looking to simplify the five year license for weapons like pistols. On top of the number of hunting weapons, you could also have weapons for various competition uses, clays, target shooting ,etc. There are other parts of firearm laws that are being altered for the better.
Hopefully, this will be law the middle of next year.
 
Selous said:
What you are missing is that at every mass shooting in the UK that the existing legislation at the time should have prevented the shooting if it had been properly applied by the firearms licensing team. As such no change in legislation was needed, only that the rules be properly applied. The changes in law have made us no safer and handgun crime has increased. Why should thousands of people lose their freedom when the shootings could have been prevented by due diligence. Do you not think that Dunblane would/could have happened if the sick oxygen thief Thomas Hamilton had only owned a couple of double barrel shotguns?
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I am one of those who had to give up pistol shooting back in 1999 following the Cullen report into the 1996 Dunblane massacre. And no, I wasn't happy about it, especially given that report did not recommended banning handguns altogether (it was Tony Blair who decided to "accept the recommendations in full and take it further").

HOWEVER - looking at it impartiality, I have to agree that Thomas Hamilton would have likely not managed to kill 17 people and injur further 15 if he wasn't armed with two pistols with high capacity magazines (combined with his Practice Pistol training). And had he entered the school shouldering a long barrel rifle, he would have likely been challenged at an earlier stage. Also, the recent events in Bondy Beach clearly demonstrate that disarming a perpetrator holding a rifle or shotgun is doable (in some circumstances, obviously), while trying to overpower someone armed with a pistol might not have had the same level of success.

Prince Philip was criticised at the time for saying in a 1996 radio interview that "If a cricketer, for instance, suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily... I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?". This went down as just another of his gaffs, but I think that the point that he was trying to make was that the Cullen inquiry should focus on the FAC holders rather than on the type of firearms that they are aloud to posses.

As for the idea that the massacre occurred due to the local police force simply not doing what they were paid to do.... i.e. their job - I agree. However, if Dunblane taught us anything, it is that the price of failure is both unimaginable and unbearable.

Curbing private ownership of easily-concealable firearms capable of rapid fire is indeed a measure that only makes sense if we accept that the police can't be trusted to never drop the ball. But is it that unreasonable to assume that mistakes (and incompetence) can happen?
 
Jagare said:
Well, it seems like the typical Swedish knee jerk reaction from the Swedish government. After the terrible shooting in Örebro the government said that AR type semi auto weapons would be banned for hunting use. As it stands at the moment, people who have AR type weapons for hunting will be able to keep them, although no new licences will be issued. Licences for normal semi autos will still be issued.
At the moment, you can have four hunting weapons with an extra two if you can prove need. This number will be increased to eight with an extra two if you can prove need. They are also looking to simplify the five year license for weapons like pistols. On top of the number of hunting weapons, you could also have weapons for various competition uses, clays, target shooting ,etc. There are other parts of firearm laws that are being altered for the better.
Hopefully, this will be law the middle of next year.
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No crackdown on grenades then ?
 
enfieldspares said:
Another old thread returns :old:

Because it is like a salami sausage. A slice here, two slices there....

No body really notices, or if they do, console themselves that there's still "a lot left that we can have". Until one day when it is all gone. My late father was born in 1919. She died in 2014. During her lifetime the first Firearms Act was made law. By the time of her death pistols, revolvers, centrefire self-loading and centrefire pump action rifles were prohibited and multi-shot shotguns and over 12ft/lbs air weapons strictly controlled and "conventional" shotguns (plus in Scotland udner 12ft/lbs air weapons) tightly controlled.

And your or my not having have a need doesn't mean others don't.
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Seems like it’s quite a good thing that outside of Odessa (founded by Catherine the Great) Russia has no interest in the West of Ukraine, much less the rest of Europe.
 
Selous said:
What you are missing is that at every mass shooting in the UK that the existing legislation at the time should have prevented the shooting if it had been properly applied by the firearms licensing team. As such no change in legislation was needed, only that the rules be properly applied. The changes in law have made us no safer and handgun crime has increased. Why should thousands of people lose their freedom when the shootings could have been prevented by due diligence. Do you not think that Dunblane would/could have happened if the sick oxygen thief Thomas Hamilton had only owned a couple of double barrel shotguns?
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It possibly could have happened, but it didn’t happen with shotguns did it? Pistols with high capacity magazines are easily concealed, somebody walking into a school with a couple of shotguns or rifles would be easily spotted.
 
carlisleredneck said:
It possibly could have happened, but it didn’t happen with shotguns did it? Pistols with high capacity magazines are easily concealed, somebody walking into a school with a couple of shotguns or rifles would be easily spotted.
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Certainly so but by then it is likely to be too late to do anything effective about it. Lots of (terrible) examples of utter scum walking into USA colleges with “black” rifles - nobody stopped them until it was too late.
As an aside, an American pal’s schoolteacher wife was, after much pleading, given a bear-spray to deal with any armed intruders. Her 9mm Purse gun and Judge both had to remain in her truck whilst on the school premises.
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Freeforester said:
Seems like it’s quite a good thing that outside of Odessa (founded by Catherine the Great) Russia has no interest in the West of Ukraine, much less the rest of Europe.
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Russia want to control all russian speaking people even they in London.
 
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