What to do with the carcasses?

[VSS]

Not according to some US SD members my hobby total for last year Jan 3 to Jan 3 was 128
Not sure if a person in the US could have 128 tags?
@Mountain Bug might shed a bit of light on the subject?

I do remember a post on here from one of our US members, endorsing a particular make of rifle on the basis that he had "shot a lot of deer" with his.
Turned out to be one deer a year for 13 years.

 

[wytonpjs]

Something that was new to me that I read last month by the chef/stalker Mike Robinson was that he was investing in a deer farm in Texas.
I knew that it was illegal in most if not all states of the U.S.A. to sell venison, shot deer having to be for personal use or shared with family and friends. However non native deer species venison can be sold commercially.

Saw that too - an eminently sensible solution I thought to invasive species. Given the prevalence though of CWD across significant tracts of the US, perhaps it’s entirely appropriate that US hunters cannot retail venison

 

[8x57]

Saw that too - an eminently sensible solution I thought to invasive species. Given the prevalence though of CWD across significant tracts of the US, perhaps it’s entirely appropriate that US hunters cannot retail venison

It's only quarter past nine and I've already learned two new things today. It's going to be a good day.
I didn't know about the CWD in the U.S.

 

[Tim.243]

Saw that too - an eminently sensible solution I thought to invasive species. Given the prevalence though of CWD across significant tracts of the US, perhaps it’s entirely appropriate that US hunters cannot retail venison

With out too much of a bun fight the US is a big place also there are a number of threads when inspected what was to be looking like a healthy deer it had TB so the post shot inspection is what determines that problem.
Our system with game dealers and a vet also our post shot inspection seems fine to me. We have lots of mechanisms to shoot/pass on shot deer also a lot of them which over all I think works well on our tiny Island.

 

[wytonpjs]

With out too much of a bun fight the US is a big place also there are a number of threads when inspected what was to be looking like a healthy deer it had TB so the post shot inspection is what determines that problem.
Our system with game dealers and a vet also our post shot inspection seems fine to me. We have lots of mechanisms to shoot/pass on shot deer also a lot of them which over all I think works well on our tiny Island.

Whilst I’m in general agreement Tim, there’s a lot of stalkers out there who do not have local AGHE or simply choose not to put them into game dealers, processing and passing on the venison to friends, family and local consumers. Some of the grallochs and presented carcasses I have seen in the limited time I’ve been doing this have been appalling and, whilst I’d like to think that the offending supplier’s business would rapidly fall away, it does make me wonder also about the ability of some stalkers to recognise disease and parasites. Frankly, I never cease to be surprised by some of the FB posts I see questioning what should be basic knowledge.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m personally very happy with DEFRA’s and my local EHO’s approach to small-scale venison supply (and long may it continue) but a bit like other issues debated on here, as a community, we are “only as good as our last bad news headline” and I personally live in fear of one of our less than diligent stalkers screwing it up for us all with a highly publicised food poisoning outbreak.

 

[8x57]

Deviating slightly but it appears to be quite a common practise for stalkers in the U.S. to drop off their shot deer at a deer butchery/processing plant and to pick up the butchered deer some time later. I was quite shocked to see a bill for carrying out the work, it ran into hundreds of dollars for a single animal.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Whilst I’m in general agreement Tim, there’s a lot of stalkers out there who do not have local AGHE or simply choose not to put them into game dealers, processing and passing on the venison to friends, family and local consumers. Some of the grallochs and presented carcasses I have seen in the limited time I’ve been doing this have been appalling and, whilst I’d like to think that the offending supplier’s business would rapidly fall away, it does make me wonder also about the ability of some stalkers to recognise disease and parasites. Frankly, I never cease to be surprised by some of the FB posts I see questioning what should be basic knowledge.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m personally very happy with DEFRA’s and my local EHO’s approach to small-scale venison supply (and long may it continue) but a bit like other issues debated on here, as a community, we are “only as good as our last bad news headline” and I personally live in fear of one of our less than diligent stalkers screwing it up for us all with a highly publicised food poisoning outbreak.

The flip side is before all these rules and regulations how many we’re getting food poisoning from venison? I’ll wager very few

 

[wytonpjs]

The flip side is before all these rules and regulations how many we’re getting food poisoning from venison? I’ll wager very few

I strongly suspect it was like other issues happening in my youth - they were happening but were simply not being reported as they are now with IMHO today’s journalism taking a steep nose dive down into sensationalism and pandering to the perceived social media needs of today’s users

 

[Chris Richardson]

I strongly suspect it was like other issues happening in my youth - they were happening but were simply not being reported as they are now with IMHO today’s journalism taking a steep nose dive down into sensationalism and pandering to the perceived social media needs of today’s users

Or simply it was a non issue

 

[Chris Richardson]

@wytonpjs whats funny ? I know you love bits of paper but looking at the big picture we’ve never had as many rules and regulations yet deer numbers are rocketing and the general public still isn’t eating enough venison, doesn’t seem to be working does it ?

 

[VSS]

@wytonpjs whats funny ? I know you love bits of paper but looking at the big picture we’ve never had as many rules and regulations yet deer numbers are rocketing and the general public still isn’t eating enough venison, doesn’t seem to be working does it ?

Where do you get the idea that "we've never had as many rules and regulations"?
It's actually easier now for a recreational stalker to sell venison directly into the food chain than it was in the past.
You can thank the fact that the UK adopted some EU legislation that allowed it. Let's just hope that now, post-Brexit, we don't lose that.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Where do you get the idea that "we've never had as many rules and regulations"?
It's actually easier now for a recreational stalker to sell venison directly into the food chain than it was in the past.
You can thank the fact that the UK adopted some EU legislation that allowed it. Let's just hope that now, post-Brexit, we don't lose that.

So Tim before all rules and regs it was harder for people to sell venison? Yeah you’ll have to explain that one to me I was more talking about game dealers than into the restaurant chain

 

[VSS]

So Tim before all rules and regs it was harder for people to sell venison? Yeah you’ll have to explain that one to me I was more talking about game dealers than into the restaurant chain

Before the  current set of rules and regs, it was harder for individual stalkers to sell venison. Prior to that it was pretty much limited to estates selling into game dealers, which had it's own set of rules.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Before the  current set of rules and regs, it was harder for individual stalkers to sell venison. Prior to that it was pretty much limited to estates selling into game dealers, which had it's own set of rules.

Yes but before that I’m pretty certain individuals didn’t have a problem selling to butchers and dealers many of the older boys I speak to certainly didn’t say they struggled

 

[VSS]

Yes but before that I’m pretty certain individuals didn’t have a problem selling to butchers and dealers many of the older boys I speak to certainly didn’t say they struggled

Yes, but it was limited to just that: in-skin carcasses in limited numbers to local butchers or pubs etc that sold directly to the end user. We can still do that, but we also now have greater flexibility to exploit other marketing opportunities that weren't permitted before.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Yes, but it was limited to just that: in-skin carcasses in limited numbers to local butchers or pubs etc that sold directly to the end user. We can still do that, but we also now have greater flexibility to exploit other marketing opportunities that weren't permitted before.

But again brings me back to my point that @wytonpjs found so funny … how many cases of food poisoning were there before we had all these regs ? I’ll wager virtually zero and if the regs are so beneficial why do we have skyrocketing deer numbers and a general public who don’t really eat venison? The system doesn’t work . Myself I sell to a butcher and game dealer about 50 a year then butcher about 50 myself and give away to family friends and landowners ( tend to sell the reds and fallow more than anything) I’ve introduced many friends and work colleagues to venison which I’ve gifted but on the whole the public aren’t bothered about eating venison

 

[Tim.243]

Whilst I’m in general agreement Tim, there’s a lot of stalkers out there who do not have local AGHE or simply choose not to put them into game dealers, processing and passing on the venison to friends, family and local consumers. Some of the grallochs and presented carcasses I have seen in the limited time I’ve been doing this have been appalling and, whilst I’d like to think that the offending supplier’s business would rapidly fall away, it does make me wonder also about the ability of some stalkers to recognise disease and parasites. Frankly, I never cease to be surprised by some of the FB posts I see questioning what should be basic knowledge.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m personally very happy with DEFRA’s and my local EHO’s approach to small-scale venison supply (and long may it continue) but a bit like other issues debated on here, as a community, we are “only as good as our last bad news headline” and I personally live in fear of one of our less than diligent stalkers screwing it up for us all with a highly publicised food poisoning outbreak.

There are lots of things which are not local or take a lot of effort to get to with the basic hospital/doctors/dentists appointments taking a long time, however game dealers will collect which. My big deer go to the dealer the muntjac go to farmers/friends also I cut up 2/3 fallow a year for main landowners as that seems to go down very well.
On the point of presenting a poor carcass the amount of people who openly bi pass on SD the opportunity's of gaining experience of learning from the "ground up" and only want to shoot deer then the actual time spent on cleaning and presenting deer from just watching a course or video will take a very long time to learn. These traits are growing as the words I hear a lot is "I haven't got time"

 

[old 30-06]

Offer a free hunt to a fellow shooter provided they take the carcass and eat the venison. Great experience for him. Make you feel good. One deer less on your property, no transporting, storing, skinning, butchering, etc. One less carcass to keep prices down at the game dealers. What is not to like ?

 

[Chris Richardson]

Offer a free hunt to a fellow shooter provided they take the carcass and eat the venison. Great experience for him. Make you feel good. One deer less on your property, no transporting, storing, skinning, butchering, etc. One less carcass to keep prices down at the game dealers. What is not to like ?

Tried that , “ I’ve no freezer space , I’m busy , I can’t take any beasts “ invited 5 guys for a collab cull in November 2 showed up , never again easier to do it myself

 

[old 30-06]

Chris Richardson,.............Sorry you had a bad experience. If you were closer to Kent I would help you to have a positive one.