DMC Level 3

[Chris Richardson]

Well I don't know who it is, so I can't really say, but don't overlook the fact that a young person getting into stalking now can gain a large amount of experience extremely quickly due to the sheer volume of deer and the number of opportunities in the industry that simply didn't exist before. Coupled with the fact that youngsters attending courses or other training opportunities will simply soak up knowledge like a sponge where a middleaged old fart will still be trying to work out how to sign in for the day.

So, while I agree with you that "the blind leading the blind" can be a real problem, you must also remember that "there's none so blind as those that will not see", and by that I mean those who think they know it all by virtue of years of experience. Experience that might in fact consist largely of bad habits and uncorrected errors.

I agree Tim i was lucky when i was a lot younger a good friend was a keeper / stalker i learned from him ,the point im trying to make is i think many of these courses give a very false sense of confidence to people with very little real world experience in the field

 

[VSS]

I agree Tim i was lucky when i was a lot younger a good friend was a keeper / stalker i learned from him ,the point im trying to make is i think many of these courses give a very false sense of confidence to people with very little real world experience in the field

Conversely, experience in the field can give a very false sense of confidence to people with very little knowledge of the biology, ecology, legislation, food hygiene requirements etc etc.
Which is why we need both.
And my belief is that a well-run DSC1 course fits the bill nicely for that side of things.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Conversely, experience in the field can give a very false sense of confidence to people with very little knowledge of the biology, ecology, legislation, food hygiene requirements etc etc.
Which is why we need both.
And my belief is that a well-run DSC1 course fits the bill nicely for that side of things.

we will agree to disagree sir

 

[VSS]

we will agree to disagree sir

Maybe
For now.

But next time I see some outrageous statement posted on here by one of the "been doing it for years so don't need any paperwork" brigade, many of whom have a level of knowledge that seems to adhere more closely to folklore than science, I will be sure to draw it to your attention!

 

[Chris Richardson]

Maybe
For now.

But next time I see some outrageous statement posted on here by one of the "been doing it for years so don't need any paperwork" brigade, many of whom have a level of knowledge that seems to adhere more closely to folklore than science, I will be sure to draw it to your attention!

fell free Tim Id offer to do the same when folk whove done a couple of courses and shot 3 deer spout utter carp but im afraid there wouldnt be enough hours in the day

 

[weblyish]

Conversely, experience in the field can give a very false sense of confidence to people with very little knowledge of the biology, ecology, legislation, food hygiene requirements etc etc.
Which is why we need both.
And my belief is that a well-run DSC1 course fits the bill nicely for that side of things.

I'm not sure when your DSC1 was done but I feel the current offerings may be lacking the additional info you got from the likes of David Stretton
the actual content of the assessments should be fairly straightforward if you are competent - it's the additional info and context you could get which would be invaluable but after a while everything gets staid and delivered to a price

When i needed a level 2 certificate I went PDS2 rather than DSC2 as it included an assessed taught element and 2 observations of each of the performance criteria of the stalk Vs 1 stalk for the DSC2 - plus it was cheaper so there was nothing not to like

 

[VSS]

fell free Tim Id offer to do the same when folk whove done a couple of courses and shot 3 deer spout utter carp but im afraid there wouldnt be enough hours in the day

Absolutely!
But in most cases the folk who've done a couple of courses and shot 3 deer do admit to being newcomers to the sport and ask (sometimes stupid) questions with the aim of furthering their knowledge.
It's the ones who give the stupid answers to those questions that we should be worrying about, regardless of how or where they gained their experience.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Absolutely!
But in most cases the folk who've done a couple of courses and shot 3 deer do admit to being newcomers to the sport and ask (sometimes stupid) questions with the aim of furthering their knowledge.
It's the ones who give the stupid answers to those questions that we should be worrying about, regardless of how or where they gained their experience.

hmm i see quite a few cases where some of the above speak with an authority that flies in the face of their experience level

 

[VSS]

hmm i see quite a few cases where some of the above speak with an authority that flies in the face of their experience level

Yes, it does happen.
I'm probably one of them.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Yes, it does happen.
I'm probably one of them.

that comment was not aimed at you Tim

 

[VSS]

that comment was not aimed at you Tim

I'm almost disappointed in you

 

[Chris Richardson]

I'm almost disappointed in you

Oh you

 

[DavyG]

Oh you

Get a room you two…

 

[Mr. Gain]

What can be gained from a practical test of shooting a Muntie rather than a Roe

Module content:
Lesson 1: Shout "Oi!"
Lesson 2: shoot it a bit further forward to avoid the compost
Lesson 3: If it's a doe you've shot, wait a few minutes for a buck to come out and try and sh*g it, then shoot that.
Thankyou. That'll be £250.
BACS, please.

 

[Tim.243]

Module content:
Lesson 1: Shout "Oi!"
Lesson 2: shoot it a bit further forward to avoid the compost
Lesson 3: If it's a doe you've shot, wait a few minutes for a buck to come out and try and sh*g it, then shoot that.
Thankyou. That'll be £250.
BACS, please.

This was a bahh.
FOC btw

 

[AndrewT059]

What I find interesting is that all the people that’s pushing this dmc3 are mostly the ones spouting out about deer numbers being ridiculously high, But just putting more hurdles in place for deer stalkers to jump through. ( in my opinion not looking at the bigger picture or even interested in reducing numbers)
I’d image before long, some landowners won’t want you on their ground without dmc3, as some are now for dmc2, dmc1, etc.

Suppose if there’s money to be made.


Andrew

 

[sauer]

Idealists amongst us will be for certification to lift standards in safety and best practice and im all for that..

Reality is its only usually ever about money
99% of life it's about the ££££

Paul

 

[AndrewT059]

Idealists amongst us will be for certification to lift standards in safety and best practice and im all for that..

Reality is its only usually ever about money
99% of life it's about the ££££

Paul

Absolutely, same here like to see everything done right, but there’s only so many ways to skin a cat.

And will it actually lift the standards? I’ve seen some carcasses tagged up in some gamedealers I’d be embarrassed to put my name too

 

[Mike1979]

The way I look at is is :

Always more to learn
Stalkers who know a lot more then you
Stalkers who shoot more deer then you
Stalkers who are a better shot then you

On this basis try not to be an arrogant tool ...my caveat being the "try" part as sure plenty of you will think I am an arrogant tool (but its not deliberate)

Also training and competence are 2 different things but experience without training is not necessarily a good thing if you havent been trained properly.

 

[NoIDeer]

Why would anyone throw all that money at something that nobody is asking for?

I strongly believe in CPD but only where it moves you forward.