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dont you start on me Lee...one or the other is bad enough..both is a battle I wouldnt chose lightly Deflection
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dont you start on me Lee...one or the other is bad enough..both is a battle I wouldnt chose lightly 
We are not similar by a very long margin, anyway you have disrupted Sol's thread enough over the Sheepmore far to much.
Happy for the Creedmoor hating anyway as it is utter shite as its a cracking calibre.
Will leave you be..or at least try
If you were happy you would not chip in it is that simple.
Sol
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Just made arrangements too go skin it tomorrow morning and start butchering some of the tender cuts that dont need as much hang time, I'm genuinely very curious too see what I'll see internally.
Annoyingly though with the "stick" I did too pump blood out, and the sawing through the brisket too remove the pluck I'll be rather surprised if I can come across the obvious exit hole, but who knows! we shall see.
Annoyingly though with the "stick" I did too pump blood out, and the sawing through the brisket too remove the pluck I'll be rather surprised if I can come across the obvious exit hole, but who knows! we shall see.
Happy for the Creedmoor hating anyway as it is utter shite as its a cracking calibre.
Will leave you be..or at least try
Sorry slight thread hijack.
Pedant warning, Creedmoor is a chambering not a calibre. The calibre being 6mm, 6.5 etc etc.
I like this shot too but only when they are quartering slightly (flat sight picture of the Alpex means I'm very cautious of deer quartering more than they appear through the scope!). Tucking it in tight behind nearside shoulder you know your are hitting vitals but travelling away from diaphragm, rumen etc (which can extend a long way forward in reds).
That's a risky shot and very likely to pass through the rumen.
I like a lot of what you post, Sheamus, but this vendetta against VSS is become tiresome. You've made your point now give it a rest.The Welsh Oricle loves a bit of a$$ kissing don't you
As others have said, don't beat yourself up - bullets do strange things and deer don't always read the rule book. You did the right thing and followed up.
My only observation would be that I wouldn't have repositioned myself on an injured deer for the follow up if I could have helped it (but only you were there and knew the ground, alertness of deer). I'd take whatever shot I could without revealing myself, regardless of potential carcass damage at that point. I've made the mistake on more than one occasion of trying to reposition for a better follow up only for my movement to be enough for the deer to get up / run.
I prefer something a bit larger than 243 if I am shooting reds but the calibre has accounted for more than it's fair share of red deer so is definitely capable!
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Sol
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Okay context, first shot 100-120y second shot no more than 60y both facing too the right, second shot was a relatively broadside slightly quartering again too the right.
Okay sure the first shot It deflected and it made sense, but can we talk about the second shot? It didnt even deflect of a rib as far as I'm aware but somehow managed too exit all the way too the left on a right-facing shot, WTF!
Bullets do weird things.
Okay sure the first shot It deflected and it made sense, but can we talk about the second shot? It didnt even deflect of a rib as far as I'm aware but somehow managed too exit all the way too the left on a right-facing shot, WTF!
Bullets do weird things.
I would say less than ideal shot placement is the problem in both cases. Probably a case of the deer being turned or angled differently to your expectation @Sol
Also, red deer tend to stand around for a while and take ages to expire with a lung shot in my limited experience.
243 with lead or non-lead isn't an issue for red deer.
Also, red deer tend to stand around for a while and take ages to expire with a lung shot in my limited experience.
243 with lead or non-lead isn't an issue for red deer.
Totally agree and very weird. As I mentioned I had it with a .243 on a roe and that put me off but also I had a neck deflection with the Creed on a fallow, second shot straight through the top of the head finished it off. Maybe we should both move to .270s as they kill everything, every time, regardless of shot placementOkay context, first shot 100-120y second shot no more than 60y both facing too the right, second shot was a relatively broadside slightly quartering again too the right.
Okay sure the first shot It deflected and it made sense, but can we talk about the second shot? It didnt even deflect of a rib as far as I'm aware but somehow managed too exit all the way too the left on a right-facing shot, WTF!
Bullets do weird things.
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Hopefully that comment is relevant enough not to be reported lol Bullets do weird things sums it up and dont think you will ever truly know what happened.
At a guess, and it’s only that, the first shot did deflect off bone but with the second, your angle probably wasn’t what you thought. As you say, it hadn’t hit anything hard so chances are it flew fairly straight, meaning the most likely explanation is that was the direction of travel.
Most of the times I’ve made a mess of a carcass it’s been because I’ve got angles wrong.
Most of the times I’ve made a mess of a carcass it’s been because I’ve got angles wrong.
Okay context, first shot 100-120y second shot no more than 60y both facing too the right, second shot was a relatively broadside slightly quartering again too the right.
Okay sure the first shot It deflected and it made sense, but can we talk about the second shot? It didnt even deflect of a rib as far as I'm aware but somehow managed too exit all the way too the left on a right-facing shot, WTF!
Bullets do weird things.
I had a bad run of it last season - see here: Copper and internal deflections
Nickb
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If I shot a deer in the arse would that classify as a deflection'Bullet deflection' = euphemism for poor shot placement
Thats getting off topic...careful......If I shot a deer in the arse would that classify as a deflection
There's 5 pages of being slagged off in the other thread for everything including lack of backstop so fill your boots'Bullet deflection' = euphemism for poor shot placement
I've plenty of examples of deflections though, with copper and lead. Including a broadside muntie shot in the neck where the bullet exited through the far haunch.
Someone was bound to say it....naughty boy'Bullet deflection' = euphemism for poor shot placement
Sol
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The way I had too approach it genuinely couldn't of been angled any other way besides being slightly quartered away too the right, I came from behind and it was almost 160* away so I had too circle around too expose any vitals on them, I purposely didnt go any further because I found a nice opening with no high grass and stable footing so I took the slightly quartering away shot from 50-60 yards, it entered on the forth rib should and should of came out the third or so give or take a bit of margin except it came out 8 ribs too the left.
If it was quartering facing the left sure a 4th rib would exit into the gut pretty fairly but it was not, incredibly unusual.
My only again thought is the slight quartering angle Its deflected once again and basically shot back, I am incredibly unlucky I supose I've never really heard of anyone having two deflections on the same animal
I cant see this really ever happening again.
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