THE BOW HUNTER

[Grannysmith]

I personaly took warthogs jackals duiker steinbuck impala waterbuck kudu babboons monkeys zebra bushpig caracal civet gemsbok
Blue wildebeast sable eland blesbuk and nyala all with.the crossbow.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Can I ask the last time you had an arrow sticking out of your guts and was it painless ?
Bow hunting belongs in the stone age along with seal clubbing and whaling for corsets and oil to light a lamp.

so putting a bullet that passes right through an animal is painless ? You taking the **** ?

Stone Age to be left in the past ? Yeh perhaps in your narrow minded opinion. A bow at 60lbs with a shot at 40yrds will pass through bone and right through an animal with zero issues. Go do some research and YouTubing cause I’m not lying

 

[Tim.243]

I personaly took warthogs jackals duiker steinbuck impala waterbuck kudu babboons monkeys zebra bushpig caracal civet gemsbok
Blue wildebeast sable eland blesbuk and nyala all with.the crossbow.

No "Dugga Boy" as you need a set of plums and a deep pocket for one of them.

 

[Grannysmith]

Did that stalking with rifle

 

[Smellydog]

@Deerhunter22 and @Grannysmith you are being baited by numb skulls.

 

[deerly departed]

Did that stalking with rifle

You still need big nuts for a dagga boy - rifle or not.
There is a chap that takes on elephant with a bow if I remember correctly.

 

[Grannysmith]

@Deerhunter22 and @Grannysmith you are being baited by numb skulls.

Yep but its the numb skulls that get tagged in the bush plums or no plums

 

[Deerhunter22]

@Deerhunter22 and @Grannysmith you are being baited by numb skulls.

I am aware

 

[Grannysmith]

You still need big nuts for a dagga boy - rifle or not.
There is a chap that takes on elephant with a bow if I remember correctly.

Yes several one of the first modern archers that did was an american
Fred bear

 

[deerly departed]

Fred is famous

 

[Tim.243]

Yep but its the numb skulls that get tagged in the bush plums or no plums

Beat you bow hunting skills, spitting Cobra with a pool cue as the maid turns all the taps on in the morning's and one came out next to the pool table on the veranda 2003 Louis Trichardt resting after a 5week trip to Mozambique teaching the Boer boys to dive. My dentist and friend of 27 years H van der Merrve old house, no plumbs just lemons mangos oranges in the garden

 

[paul o']

so putting a bullet that passes right through an animal is painless ? You taking the **** ?

Stone Age to be left in the past ? Yeh perhaps in your narrow minded opinion. A bow at 60lbs with a shot at 40yrds will pass through bone and right through an animal with zero issues. Go do some research and YouTubing cause I’m not lying

Never said that !!
Q( No **** poor shot is painless .
I advocate practice to the point its easy to make a painless shot! no thats the wrong word ! An ethical shot would be a better choice. anything entering at speed is painful.)end .
Cherry picking lacks another skill .
But medical knowledge says disconnecting the brain from the rest of the body = dead without movement or thought

 

[John Gryphon]

Going back to the original video my thinking suggests that those stags were in the special paddock for the paying client.
High wire set up of course..bring the bow back by all means but get rid of behind high wire shooting (its not hunting)

 

[wanderer]

Not wishing to jump onto either side of the argument but the following old book is a very good read and can be downloaded for free in E book format from Project Gutenberg or for low cost in traditional format from various outlets.

"Hunting with the bow and arrow" by Saxton Pope.

 

[Mungo]

I used to be extremely sceptical of bow hunting. I did a few months of field work doing vegetation transects in the Appalachians on the Virginia/West Virginia border. We found a lot of carcasses and skeletons with arrows in them. I decided that it clearly wasn’t ethical - the risk of wounding just seemed too high.

But more recently, I took up field archery. That changed my mind, somewhat. Even with a recurve (which is what I shoot), I think it CAN be ethical. But only with enough practice and the self discipline to only shoot at ranges and in conditions where you have total confidence.

And that’s the crux of it: it requires much greater awareness of your own limitations, and much greater discipline with picking shots. The margin for error IS much, much smaller, and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or simply too ignorant to be allowed out with anything more dangerous than a potato peeler.

There is absolutely no comparison between a standard deer cartridge and an arrow, and there’s no point even trying to pretend arrows are as lethal. They aren’t. They’re also much, much more difficult to place accurately. But they are effective, if used appropriately.

I think there’s a strong argument for allowing bows to be used in the UK, especially in built up areas, suburbia, small holdings, horse paddocks, golf courses etc. We are over run by roe deer in places where it’s really not feasible to shoot with a rifle. A powerful compound in the right hands would be the perfect tool.

 

[Taff]

Good for you, post some pictures please.

First picture is uk, also shot rabbits and squirrels.

 

[Taff]

You can have your opinion as I but the facts are "which most seem to be complaining about" they can't be used in the UK, use them overseas by all means, however your skills maybe honed on delivering a shot but you targets are static with nothing to contend with like wind a dozen pairs of eyes
clear line of shot distance also light conditions so you can't measure your UK bow usage to UK deer quarry despite 6 species being available.
As for this part
A rifle - for the average man in the street is EASY
If it is Easy why is there an all year season on male deer in Scotland, new night shooting licences, out of season licences and we still have far too many deer.
If it was such a affective tool then it would be in use daily and the numbers of deer would be at a much lower level,
Myself and many others shoot deer/foxes in the last hour of light also beyond.

Your arguments are based on what you could do, not on what you actually do, which is shoot deer under the conditions of you FAC.

Now you are talking crap, get some hele boys over there and you would run out of deer in the highlands in no time. Your problem with deer numbers is, the majority of the public, don,t want large numbers of deer culled, look at the fuss on this forum in the past when, deer were heavily culled in Scotland and lifted out using helicopters, over here in large cull areas they don,t even get picked up.
Your problem is you are comparing sport hunting with culling, bow hunting is sporting, rifle shooting can be culling or sporting, and yes anyone can become a competent shot.

 

[John Gryphon]

We found a lot of carcasses and skeletons with arrows in them. I decided that it clearly wasn’t ethical

That of course means that the arrows killed the deer but more so I imagine that the hunters were incapable of tracking an arrowed deer thats done a runner.
I do agree that no matter what evidence there is and I have seen 1000`s of rifle and bow kills an arrow simply cannot compete in the overall broader picture against a rifle.

 

[Taff]

That of course means that the arrows killed the deer but more so I imagine that the hunters were incapable of tracking an arrowed deer thats done a runner.
I do agree that no matter what evidence there is and I have seen 1000`s of rifle and bow kills an arrow simply cannot compete in the overall broader picture against a rifle.

Of course it cannot, and a horse is not as good as a car, but it’s great to have a choice.

 

[Tim.243]

Now you are talking crap, get some hele boys over there and you would run out of deer in the highlands in no time. Your problem with deer numbers is, the majority of the public, don,t want large numbers of deer culled, look at the fuss on this forum in the past when, deer were heavily culled in Scotland and lifted out using helicopters, over here in large cull areas they don,t even get picked up.
Your problem is you are comparing sport hunting with culling, bow hunting is sporting, rifle shooting can be culling or sporting, and yes anyone can become a competent shot.

The problem is the UK does not allow hunting with a bow and the "bow hunters" don't like it much the same as the ex pistol owners can't have their pistols back.
As I said if they feel that strong about it lobby their MP and get things going in the direction, you mention "crap" well
here we can shoot process our shot quarry to the public, run them into a game dealer, sell meats at game fairs markets which is suits us.
In NZ also the US "avid hunters" your hands are tied much more than ours with a quick search on the restrictions in NZ and venison which compared to the UK is "crap"
Yes you can use a bow which is fine but it won't make a dent in the deer population

Our system has been like this for a long time so the UK "BOW hunters" have had a very long time to get things changed but they prefer to complain on the internet instead of doing something about it.