Moderators off ticket tomorrow then ..

[Leec6.5]

I read so much tripe about FAC renewals and variations and mods coming off ticket, it get monotonous and boring!

All you need for a successful renewal or variation is time and patience nothing more nothing less, provided you’ve got all your ducks in a row beforehand let them get on with it. That’s what you pay them for.!

Perfect, they are not. It is not like the old days, nothing gets done in a hurry, badgering them won’t get you anything except further down the list, so fill your ticket up and forget about it!

 

[Mick H]

I'll believe it when I see it .
So will I be able to mail order a .308 moderator?
I doubt it .

Yes, you can. Received my new mod by post direct, yesterday.

 

[Liveonce]

Ah, but they you would have broken the law and would be liable to a stretch in prison.

But, you would also need to notify your FLD within 7 days of your purchase, so in any case they would know quickly if you had purchased a 223 whilst applying for a 22-250 so would then stop the variation if you notified in time.

Either way, the onus is on you to comply so if you knowingly mess about then you know exactly what’s coming.

Still, I NEVER send in my license when making any changes or renewing. If they want it sent to them after it’s been amended /renewed then I am happy to do so.

Btw, this is no different to your photo card driving license which they will ask for you to send back to them after any changes, but for which they have no proof if you do or don’t.

you obviously do not live in kent or Norfolk who follow HO guidance. so just do as you are.

 

[Donkey Basher]

Yes, you can. Received my new mod by post direct, yesterday.

Mine is due to arrive tomorrow - I missed last post or it’d have arrived on Friday

 

[TringSaint]

you obviously do not live in kent or Norfolk who follow HO guidance. so just do as you are.

It’s interesting how you state what Kent and Norfolk police do, and you follow it to the letter, yet when I dared to suggest that FLD behaviour wasn’t exactly consistent across the country, and that I and others I know had to jump through lots of hoops / comply with certain requirements, none of which are defined within firearms law, I was shouted down (not by you afaik) and told by many of the legal eagles on here to tell them to get stuffed!

If your FLD insists on sending back your ticket when making a change or asking you to don orange underwear when out stalking then do it - it’s not worth the grief.

I just wanted to highlight that despite what many ‘very knowledgeable’ people on here may think, it is not a level playing field, some forces will apply different rules to others and we just have to bend over and take it.

Thx

 

[Demetrius]

Which is why we need a national police force, all reading off the same page, instead of the 40 odd separate forces who all do their own thing according to what their chief constables think appropriate.
Which is why the word "guidelines" appears so frequently whenever the home office is consulted.

D.

 

[Yorkie]

My friend just got his shiny and renewed FAC back. All moderators have been removed.

Some people maybe over analyse things a little.

They have been deregulated, they are just harmless metal tubes. Just crack on and buy what you want without hindrance.

Surely it can only be a good thing for us when we actually make progress and get plain-silly and illogical laws taken down.

As shooter we do not get many 'victories' and i for one celebrate them when they happen.

I will be looking for a small and lightweight mod for my Tikka 6.5x284 now.

 

[Liveonce]

It’s interesting how you state what Kent and Norfolk police do, and you follow it to the letter, yet when I dared to suggest that FLD behaviour wasn’t exactly consistent across the country, and that I and others I know had to jump through lots of hoops / comply with certain requirements, none of which are defined within firearms law, I was shouted down (not by you afaik) and told by many of the legal eagles on here to tell them to get stuffed!

If your FLD insists on sending back your ticket when making a change or asking you to don orange underwear when out stalking then do it - it’s not worth the grief.

I just wanted to highlight that despite what many ‘very knowledgeable’ people on here may think, it is not a level playing field, some forces will apply different rules to others and we just have to bend over and take it.

Thx

i think you confusing things, things that individual FLD’s make up and those that comply with within the law and HO statutory guidance.

 

[TringSaint]

i think you confusing things, things that individual FLD’s make up and those that comply with within the law and HO statutory guidance.

But it’s only guidance, not law. Guidance is a suggestion, like a picture on the back of a pie box showing it on a plate with some chips and peas - you don’t have to eat it with these other foods, but it’s a suggestion.

As Demetrius says, the only way to fix this is to have a single force with a single approach which standardises the rules so that we all know what to expect, it would also remove some of the vagaries of each force and reduce the chances of an error occurring.

FWIW, neither TVP nor Herts/cambs/beds insist on sending in certificates.

 

[Leec6.5]

But it’s only guidance, not law. Guidance is a suggestion, like a picture on the back of a pie box showing it on a plate with some chips and peas - you don’t have to eat it with these other foods, but it’s a suggestion.

As Demetrius says, the only way to fix this is to have a single force with a single approach which standardises the rules so that we all know what to expect, it would also remove some of the vagaries of each force and reduce the chances of an error occurring.

FWIW, neither TVP nor Herts/cambs/beds insist on sending in certificates.

Doesn’t bother me sending my tickets in, can’t see why it would bother anyone else!

What a load of drivel!

 

[Rake Aboot]

But it’s only guidance, not law. Guidance is a suggestion, like a picture on the back of a pie box showing it on a plate with some chips and peas - you don’t have to eat it with these other foods, but it’s a suggestion.

As Demetrius says, the only way to fix this is to have a single force with a single approach which standardises the rules so that we all know what to expect, it would also remove some of the vagaries of each force and reduce the chances of an error occurring.

FWIW, neither TVP nor Herts/cambs/beds insist on sending in certificates.

You’re really pushing the boat out with willfully refusing to understand this issue aren’t you ?

 

[hendrix's rifle]

As Demetrius says, the only way to fix this is to have a single force with a single approach which standardises the rules so that we all know what to expect, it would also remove some of the vagaries of each force and reduce the chances of an error occurring.

That is the absolute last thing we want! The negatives of all the forces and none of the positives? No thanks.

That would be an absolute cluster ****

 

[TringSaint]

That is the absolute last thing we want! The negatives of all the forces and none of the positives? No thanks.

That would be an absolute cluster ****

Yeah, good point. Be careful what you wish for, eh!

 

[TringSaint]

You’re really pushing the boat out with willfully refusing to understand this issue aren’t you ?

What issue?

 

[HonestJohn]

Hmm, what’s the big argument about here?
Mods are deregulated now, OFF the FAC, no notification of acquisition or disposal required, no paper trail required, can be posted by Royal Mail 2nd class, courier pigeon or mule! You need a valid FAC to purchase, and the seller must see the front page with your name and picture to confirm it’s you, which means either F2F or video call etc. I believe sight of FAC is confusing because some believe a text message or email with a copy will suffice, I’m not so sure because the seller cannot validate who sent it by confirming with a facial match.

 

[3595wilk]

Hmm, what’s the big argument about here?
Mods are deregulated now, OFF the FAC, no notification of acquisition or disposal required, no paper trail required, can be posted by Royal Mail 2nd class, courier pigeon or mule! You need a valid FAC to purchase, and the seller must see the front page with your name and picture to confirm it’s you, which means either F2F or video call etc. I believe sight of FAC is confusing because some believe a text message or email with a copy will suffice, I’m not so sure because the seller cannot validate who sent it by confirming with a facial match.

There is no onus in any guidance I have seen so far, for a RFD to check the purchaser has a ticket. There is no legal requirement to do so. Most will and by asking for a copy of the ticket.....probably a jpeg.....feel they have met any threshold of due diligence that a reasonable person would do.

While your suggestion is belt and braces, it goes further than what is seen as current minimum practice - so doubt that anyone but the most cautious seller would do that TBH. But still early days. No doubt we will see things evolve over time.

 

[Leec6.5]

There is no onus in any guidance I have seen so far, for a RFD to check the purchaser has a ticket. There is no legal requirement to do so. Most will and by asking for a copy of the ticket.....probably a jpeg.....feel they have met any threshold of due diligence that a reasonable person would do.

While your suggestion is belt and braces, it goes further than what is seen as current minimum practice - so doubt that anyone but the most cautious seller would do that TBH. But still early days. No doubt we will see things evolve over time.

Who cares as long as you get your mod!

 

[cjm1066]

can be posted by Royal Mail 2nd class, courier pigeon or mule!

There aren't a lot of mules about to deliver moderators and I suspect they are to heavy for courier pigeons?

 

[Rake Aboot]

What issue?

You don’t even know what the thread is about ??

Or obtuse ?

 

[Robby56]