Isn't that the same thing ?
To paraphrase, "we can guarantee finding a cull beast on a particular day".
Thats not stalking, is it, if you find the beast, or tell the client where to find it ?
DSC2 - Wild vs. Park Debate
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Isn't that the same thing ?
To paraphrase, "we can guarantee finding a cull beast on a particular day".
Thats not stalking, is it, if you find the beast, or tell the client where to find it ?
My dear Stone,
Shall we just accept that you and a few others find it distasteful that we - and other professionals - provide services that weren't available to you at the time of your witnessed deer culls.
From the response we have had so far, it seems that you are in the minority.
The people who have chosen to take advantage of our services can - I am sure - speak for themselves. I am certainly confident that they will receive good value for money. We're not in the business of getting it wrong, and I am sure that some of the 15'000+ people who may wish to achieve their DSC2 through using our services will be pleased that you have their interests at heart. But RELAX Stone, they are in good hands.
So to get back on topic, I'm still intigued to learn what a FAIR CHASE PARK is, c'mon Stone, enlighten us please. I am sure I am not the only one waiting with bated breath to learn of this new phenomenon. Are deer in FAIR CHASE PARKS simply wild deer with a fence around them???????
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Wolverine
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Mike,I am fortunate,my level 2 cost me a bottle of whisky and a couple of sirloin steaks.
I also witness at no cost to the candidate as i see it as a way of giving back to the sport that has consumed me for a lot of years.
I have no axe to grind with people making money out of doing level 2 stalks but saying that qualification is guaranteed and deer will be put in front of the candidate and someone will get their qualification in 2 days,come on.
If the candidate does not fulfill the P.C. on all the stalks do you sign them off or do you get them out more to get them up to the desired level,at cost,I presume,nothing wrong with that at all but not everyone can meet these P.C's without training and without experience,no?
Level 1 is not experience,deer stalked,shot,followed up,indentify lymph glands and lardered correctly is!
I also witness at no cost to the candidate as i see it as a way of giving back to the sport that has consumed me for a lot of years.
I have no axe to grind with people making money out of doing level 2 stalks but saying that qualification is guaranteed and deer will be put in front of the candidate and someone will get their qualification in 2 days,come on.
If the candidate does not fulfill the P.C. on all the stalks do you sign them off or do you get them out more to get them up to the desired level,at cost,I presume,nothing wrong with that at all but not everyone can meet these P.C's without training and without experience,no?
Level 1 is not experience,deer stalked,shot,followed up,indentify lymph glands and lardered correctly is!
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Hi wolverine, I appreciate your views. Just to make things clear we are NOT guaranteeing that people will get their DSC2. I don't sign anyone off. I simply have deer to cull. Deer WILL be there, that's a GUARANTEE. In the group of deer that are there many of them WILL be cull deer, that's a GUARANTEE. If the client - in two days - fails to select and shoot their three culls required for DSC2' then that is probably due to the fact that they are not sufficiently experienced enough to do what should be achievable in that timescale.
They HAVE to stalk the deer in line with the specified cull criteria, cull it and carry out all the PC's for AW's to sign them off. If they don't then the AW won't sign off the relevant PCs. The client knows what deer are to be shot because they have been briefed on the cull selection criteria. THEY have to find, select and cull the animal.
No deer are PUT in front of clients. That's just a wee play on words that one or two people have latched onto, even though the meaning is clear.
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Wolverine
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Nothing worth a hanging there me thinks
Not everyone has the time and access to deer to do this cheaper therefore sounds a good deal as long as they know their stuff and are experienced with the PC's to begin with.As long as the standard is kept and no training as such without prior notification is needed.ie you're not training on a stalk(i find this more increasingly common,some people have not a clue thus the reason i now ask how much experience they have and brief them on what i expect)
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Wolverine
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your inexperiance is shining through
Will they be head and neck shot or will they be allowed to shoot them as they see fit.
Hi David,
They will be shot as the client sees fit. Normally all park deer are culled by our team by head shots, but for the purpose of DSC2, then the client makes the decision.
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JAYB
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This does seem to be dragging on without much purpose. The way I understand it is that opportunities will be offered, for X amount of pounds, for the gaining of a level 2 certificate over a couple of days. This will be achieved in a deer park where it is guaranteed there will be cull animals, the client will be expected to find, select, cull, gralloch and larder the beast as per best practise and at the same time demonstrate the necessary knowledge to satisfy the AW that he can meet all necessary criteria. I have reached this understanding after wading through countless pages of verbal fencing. If it had been advertised initially in a clearer fashion with a less tabloid style sensational headline title then probably a lot of this thread could have been avoided, also witnesses for both the defence and prosecution have not always been at their most helpful. So gentlemen please if we could have a little less of the pedantic bickering and a little more understanding and clarity, would it not be better all around.
John
John
jamross65
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there is tremendous clarity available by donning a pair of sparring gloves and sorting it out like gentlemen. I still have a couple of pairs of 16oz gloves in the house if you would like to sort out a venue JAYB?
there is tremendous clarity available by donning a pair of sparring gloves and sorting it out like gentlemen. I still have a couple of pairs of 16oz gloves in the house if you would like to sort out a venue JAYB?
Never mind the gloves, a length of 2x2 swiftly administered to the head and body would bring instant clarity
AllThingsShooting
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I cannot believe that this thread is still going! To be honest it seems pointless, that some feel the need to question, comment and slag off those promoting professional training.
Dsc2 in two days why not! Have an issue with it. Keep it to yourself. Want to offer help, guidance and support then contribute to the site!
Administrators please moderate this and all other threads....and those focusing more on the negatives.
Dsc2 in two days why not! Have an issue with it. Keep it to yourself. Want to offer help, guidance and support then contribute to the site!
Administrators please moderate this and all other threads....and those focusing more on the negatives.
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6pointer
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ATS This is a forum and it is important that people air there views or would you prefer a dictatorship. If you want some advice why not get some deer stalking under your belt and then you can comment from an unbiased position.Just because Jellen advertise dose not mean they are above criticism. Even Malc regards his dog training and John regards his cryptic posts and then Alex with his constant post moving These guys run the site and need to take it so why not just a normal member. It good advertising for him and look at the positive replies he got they would not be there if it were not for the negative one.
All the best
ADOLF
All the best
ADOLF
AllThingsShooting
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ATS This is a forum and it is important that people air there views or would you prefer a dictatorship. If you want some advice why not get some deer stalking under your belt and then you can comment from an unbiased position.Just because Jellen advertise dose not mean they are above criticism. Even Malc regards his dog training and John regards his cryptic posts and then Alex with his constant post moving These guys run the site and need to take it so why not just a normal member. It good advertising for him and look at the positive replies he got they would not be there if it were not for the negative one.
All the best
ADOLF
Exactly what I am talking about!!!
No I don't want a dictatorship
You have no idea about my experience..
And replying Adolf simply shows your immaturity..
If you felt this was targeted at you it wasn't..I was simply stating that those who AWAYS feel the need to pitch in something negative should be moderated or better yet banned!
I welcome the freedom of speech if they have something constructive to say! But some just comment for the sake of it seems to be a trait of some!
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6pointer
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ATS Sadly you i don't know nothing of your experience that's because your deer stalking has less history than my puppy dog. Some people can talk the talk but can they walk the walk. You might find out later in your deer stalking career that you can have a different opinion than others and its not such a bad . 
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