Shooting show 2013

jon PMSL
i didnt attend but enjoyed your summing up .
glad i stayed at home mate and saved my hard earned for a brand new DT 10 i bought today
regards pete


Glad you liked it Pete.

To be fair I thought it was OK. I was after stuff but can get it locally( which Iv'e just done tonight).
Thanks to Mark from Philip Morris and sons for looking after out pinic while we looked round.

I was impressed with Country Covers, they couldn't be more helpfull. Thier new field smock will be my next purchase over the other smocks. Their trousers were good also. They will even 'taylor' them to your requirements. Now you don't get that service from other manufactures AND they make them in Lyme Regis and Exeter not China.

Lynx Hunter rifle- i want one!!! as I saw the action a couple of years ago and now I've handled the whole rifle. Hands down over a Blaser ( sorry, I will wait for Incoming).

Kreigoff double rifles. wow


Anyway best sell the wife and kids for whats on my wish list now (well half of it)


Jon
 
jon thanks for the heads up regards country covers im looking for some new trousers
go steady on the BLASER KNOCKING mate you know how touchy i get :D
regards pete .
 
jon thanks for the heads up regards country covers im looking for some new trousers
go steady on the BLASER KNOCKING mate you know how touchy i get :D
regards pete .



:stir:. I will just wait for Wayne and Dom to come to your defence about Blasers.


Lynx rifles mate, you know it makes sense.:lol:


Jon
 
Sneering at Airsoft

Currently, no part of shooting is growing faster than airsoft. Many of us got interested in guns from westerns and war films, the same is true for these guys, but they've also grown up with computer games, so for many airsoft skirmishing and re-enactment is a natural next step or complementary activity. They put a lot of money, time and enthusiasm into what they do, and they have a sense of community... sound familiar?

I know a lot of former service personnel take offence at the disparity between what the airsofters are doing in safety and for fun and what our troops are doing for real, in constant risk of life, limb and health. But that is the difference: airsoft is for fun; war is for... [put your own answer here].

My starting point is that airsofters are probably as interested in guns and their associated history as I am, so there's a fair bit of common ground, and that even if I have no desire myself to shoot plastic BBs at people, that doesn't mean I can't make them welcome to try out the various forms of shooting I enjoy.

They've been on the sharp end of ridiculous anti-gun legislation too, so the next time talk of banning this or that starts flying around, it might help to have a couple of hundred thousand airsofters in our corner, who are at least sympathetic to more traditional shooting sports. If we treat them like pariahs that's not going to happen - not to mention that it's also bad manners.
 
Sneering at Airsoft

Currently, no part of shooting is growing faster than airsoft. Many of us got interested in guns from westerns and war films, the same is true for these guys, but they've also grown up with computer games, so for many airsoft skirmishing and re-enactment is a natural next step or complementary activity. They put a lot of money, time and enthusiasm into what they do, and they have a sense of community... sound familiar?

I know a lot of former service personnel take offence at the disparity between what the airsofters are doing in safety and for fun and what our troops are doing for real, in constant risk of life, limb and health. But that is the difference: airsoft is for fun; war is for... [put your own answer here].

My starting point is that airsofters are probably as interested in guns and their associated history as I am, so there's a fair bit of common ground, and that even if I have no desire myself to shoot plastic BBs at people, that doesn't mean I can't make them welcome to try out the various forms of shooting I enjoy.

They've been on the sharp end of ridiculous anti-gun legislation too, so the next time talk of banning this or that starts flying around, it might help to have a couple of hundred thousand airsofters in our corner, who are at least sympathetic to more traditional shooting sports. If we treat them like pariahs that's not going to happen - not to mention that it's also bad manners.

But the two worlds of country sports and airsoft aren't really compatible full-stop. I know what you are saying about airsoft becoming more popular and I know people who do it and as one of those people who grew up with computer games I'm sure there is nothing I'd love more than shooting a load of people with BB's but the problem is the whole cosplay element of it and the image that portrays at an event like this.

By all means have the displays of airsoft weapons, handing out flyers and have a go and firing BB's if that is what is needed but is it really necessary to wear all the gear and walk around the show like that complete with a replica firearm or three. As another poster said I'm sure if you were kitted up in full stalking gear complete with face mask and rifle it wouldn't be many seconds before you were asked to leave or pinned to the floor by the local ARU.
 
Sneering at Airsoft

Currently, no part of shooting is growing faster than airsoft. Many of us got interested in guns from westerns and war films, the same is true for these guys, but they've also grown up with computer games, so for many airsoft skirmishing and re-enactment is a natural next step or complementary activity. They put a lot of money, time and enthusiasm into what they do, and they have a sense of community... sound familiar?

I know a lot of former service personnel take offence at the disparity between what the airsofters are doing in safety and for fun and what our troops are doing for real, in constant risk of life, limb and health. But that is the difference: airsoft is for fun; war is for... [put your own answer here].

My starting point is that airsofters are probably as interested in guns and their associated history as I am, so there's a fair bit of common ground, and that even if I have no desire myself to shoot plastic BBs at people, that doesn't mean I can't make them welcome to try out the various forms of shooting I enjoy.

They've been on the sharp end of ridiculous anti-gun legislation too, so the next time talk of banning this or that starts flying around, it might help to have a couple of hundred thousand airsofters in our corner, who are at least sympathetic to more traditional shooting sports. If we treat them like pariahs that's not going to happen - not to mention that it's also bad manners.

Calm down lol it is only a bit of fun. But having said that please do not forget they were at a shooting show. I do not know if you went but there was one side of the building devoted to showing what responsible people shooters are then in the other side we had folk dresses up like SAS throwing flash bangs. You are free to correct me but is that the image you think should be portrayed? I saw men walking around the show with what for all know could have been air soft or real guns....I cant tell the difference by looking at them can you? I also saw a woman in normal every day attire with what looked like a Glock or a Sig strapped to high thigh as a clear fashion accessory....now was that a real gun....who knows.....was the show a public event...yes....should you display such items in public???.......I would call that bad manners.

I saw kids taking part , yes good to see them doing it but as you mention computer games I wonder how many kids play 18 rated computer games, it doesnt make it right. When I was a kid I was in the ATC and was taught never to use anything that looked remotely like a gun in any other way than you would do a real gun, that included de-activated drill 303s. Also and this will make you chuckle, when I was in the RAF i actually did my passing out parade with a wooden SLR stock with a piece of black painted pipe screwed to it and a bayonet on the end....as did the rest of my flight. Even those bits of crap had to be treated as you would a real rifle, had to be guarded when we went to lunch and locked in the armoury at end of play. Stupid I thought at the time, but the message was dont ever forget its a rifle and those looking at you never can tell if it is real or not.

If the airsofters want to do their thing fine, they I agree certainly spend cash on what they do and yes looks just like the real thing.....that is my point. If they want to promote there chosen pastime then do it in a responsible manner at an airsoft event.
 
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+1 was bad lots of doors none open ?? undercover ? hmmm don't think so ,we were all cold and wet before one door was opened then it was a flood to get in 6foot wide gap nahh not going to this again :cry: i know thay sell cattle there but come on if there was fire we would all been burnt and food hall's you got your food then waited again to pay so food was cold???? bring on cla/midland
 
Calm down lol it is only a bit of fun. But having said that please do not forget they were at a shooting show. I do not know if you went but there was one side of the building devoted to showing what responsible people shooters are then in the other side we had folk dresses up like SAS throwing flash bangs. You are free to correct me but is that the image you think should be portrayed? I saw men walking around the show with what for all know could have been air soft or real guns....I cant tell the difference by looking at them can you? I also saw a woman in normal every day attire with what looked like a Glock or a Sig strapped to high thigh as a clear fashion accessory....now was that a real gun....who knows.....was the show a public event...yes....should you display such items in public???.......I would call that bad manners.

If the airsofters want to do their thing fine, they I agree certainly spend cash on what they do and yes looks just like the real thing.....that is my point. If they want to promote there chosen pastime then do it in a responsible manner at an airsoft event.
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The best air soft was the orange ones i new thay were toys ? as f.a.c and s/g holder we have to have orange starting guns to train our dogs .
I'am not down on them playing games , but do't mone when police shoot someone with a look alike real firearm ?? . or chairlegg:doh:
 
The problem is the whole cosplay element of it and the image that portrays at an event like this [...] By all means have the displays of airsoft weapons, handing out flyers and have a go and firing BB's if that is what is needed but is it really necessary to wear all the gear and walk around the show like that complete with a replica firearm or three. As another poster said I'm sure if you were kitted up in full stalking gear complete with face mask and rifle it wouldn't be many seconds before you were asked to leave or pinned to the floor by the local ARU.

I do understand your view. But I'm thinking, these guys are wearing all their gear because they are participating in a demonstration, but when they want to nip round the show between displays it's probably not really practical for them to de-kit and secure their gear. After all, did you see the bit of the venue they were given - wet, draughty and open to anyone. If stands in the smarter halls suffered from theft... well, I wouldn't want to leave a couple of thousand pounds worth of gear to its fate in that situation. In addition, I'm sure there's a bit of pride taken in showing their colours in public, after all the lads who come to the show wearing camo, tweed, silver lapel pins, or whatever are all doing much the same. It seems to me that all sorts of groups could be "accused" of cosplay, but last time I looked it had never hurt anyone. After all, did anyone use to object when BASC's Bill Harriman walked around the CLA dressed as an 18th Century grenadier?

As for carrying guns in public - I thought we were different from the "hoplophobes". How many on here lament the passing of the days of their youth when they could walk down a village street with a shotgun or airgun under their arm or take a gun into a town-centre gunshop without worrying that people would have conniptions or fearing the police would jump on them? I'm not bothered by people at shooting events -public or otherwise- carrying guns -replica or otherwise, because I know that mass shootings are rarer than lightning strikes. So, if the airsofters can make us think twice about taking on the hysterical attitudes of our anti-gun antagonists, then so much the better. It might be a surprise these days to see a gun in the street that isn't in the hands of a policeman (another change for the worse), but to suggest that it's unreasonable to see people with guns at a gun show... well!
 
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Chickenman I too underwent similar training experiences to yourself and had to suffer the humiliation of passing out with a wooden SLR though even with this we were taught never to point it at anyone.

I am trying desperately hard not to condemn another form of “shooting” but am finding it hard not to criticise the posers that I saw on Saturday all dressed up for battle and strutting around with hopefully only airsoft weapons but in my heart keeps telling me that it was totally inappropriate and that they should have been confined to their own “theatre of operations”. I suppose my friend summed it up when he shook his head and said in disbelief " WTF is that all about".
 
I know it was eventually jumped on by the NRA but in the early years of Bisley Camp’s Pistol (inset year), it seemed every other person was carrying something on their hip with accompanying live ammo as they walked around the trade stands! :shock:
 
you mean pratical pistol days
yes thay jumped on us as you say but it was us who agreeded to do it as we were commiting or doing nowt wrong in law or being unsafe haveing pistols in holsters with No full mags and if you had a rig on the only bit you could see was the bottom of the mag as the rounds were protected from being damaged buy the mag holder ? all mags had to be unloaded on leaving the match and i never saw any one worth his salt with full mags on there rig in gun bags yes , if he did then he would have been DQ or a DNF for being unsafe even the holster had a retention test so it could not just fall out, this was and is a safe way to carry any pistol just like you would carry arifle in its sleave . or on its sling , in the 70'to 90's or even to day pratical pistols are left on the rig as you are not allowed to handle them out side a safty area ,i know i will get flack when someone reads this but if you did't compeat in practical then sorry you missed out and this will sound mad but it worked . over seas and in NI its still the same it was / is the way to carry a safe pistol around, it was the likes of the single sell one shoot every 4 hrs who made the FUSS not the nra buy them selves and thay had to keep them happy, remember the UKPSA made more funds for the NRA than any other type of shooting back then even dehavaland loved pratical pistol . the trade stands had ammo and guns for sale just as thay do today so ? when you see a rifle at bisly in a sling has it got a round in a mag ?? NO its been made safe on the range but practical had a one on one
RO to be no more that an arms distance way at all times no outher shooting has this type of safty that i know of . YUP feel strong on this as we who lost our sport did't do nothing wrong .:tiphat:



I know it was eventually jumped on by the NRA but in the early years of Bisley Camp’s Pistol (inset year), it seemed every other person was carrying something on their hip with accompanying live ammo as they walked around the trade stands! :shock:
 
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Calm down lol it is only a bit of fun. But having said that please do not forget they were at a shooting show. I do not know if you went but there was one side of the building devoted to showing what responsible people shooters are then in the other side we had folk dresses up like SAS throwing flash bangs. You are free to correct me but is that the image you think should be portrayed? I saw men walking around the show with what for all know could have been air soft or real guns....I cant tell the difference by looking at them can you? I also saw a woman in normal every day attire with what looked like a Glock or a Sig strapped to high thigh as a clear fashion accessory....now was that a real gun....who knows.....was the show a public event...yes....should you display such items in public???.......I would call that bad manners.

I saw kids taking part , yes good to see them doing it but as you mention computer games I wonder how many kids play 18 rated computer games, it doesn't make it right. When I was a kid I was in the ATC and was taught never to use anything that looked remotely like a gun in any other way than you would do a real gun, that included de-activated drill 303s. Also and this will make you chuckle, when I was in the RAF i actually did my passing out parade with a wooden SLR stock with a piece of black painted pipe screwed to it and a bayonet on the end....as did the rest of my flight. Even those bits of crap had to be treated as you would a real rifle, had to be guarded when we went to lunch and locked in the armoury at end of play. Stupid I thought at the time, but the message was dont ever forget its a rifle and those looking at you never can tell if it is real or not.

If the airsofters want to do their thing fine, they I agree certainly spend cash on what they do and yes looks just like the real thing.....that is my point. If they want to promote there chosen pastime then do it in a responsible manner at an airsoft event.

Thanks for your post. I was getting a bit fed up with the bandwagon of airsoft baiting on this thread, especially on top of the general whining about the show, but at the same time, I do understand where the uneasiness is coming from. What you say about your induction to guns is close enough to my own experience to ring totally true. My point, I suppose, is that we're missing the opportunity of creating links with a parallel community of people with similar interests to our own if we concentrate on the differences and not the things we have in common and if we not only refuse to communicate with them but choose to point the finger of scorn at them.

I've said in another post that I don't see why anyone should be concerned to see people with guns at a gun show, and can recall times and places, many of them recent albeit not in this country, where hunters have carried their guns openly in all sorts of public places without anyone giving a hoot.

As for manners, personally, I'd distinguish between "manners" which in my book is treating others as you would wish to be treated, and "etiquette" which is a specific code of behaviour which often seems primarily intended to embarrass, and thereby exclude, those not in the know. By this definition, the fully togged-up airsofters at the show were offending against the etiquette of the "country sports", whose practitioners responded by mocking or glaring at them, which I why I suggested it was less than polite! :-D

To take another tack, we all know shooters who have "all the gear and no idea", and perhaps at times we've been there ourselves -full of enthusiasm, well-kitted up (we think), but unknowingly ridiculous. In such circumstances, the people who make a positive difference are the ones who come forward to help, inform, guide and encourage. Me, I'd rather be one of them.

Anyway, I think I've said all I have to say on the subject, and I've no particular axe to grind for airsoft, I just don't like seeing any group of legitimate gun owners stigmatised, and think shooters should be the very last people to indulge in such nonsense.
 
you mean pratical pistol days
yes thay jumped on us as you say but it was us who agreeded to do it as we were commiting or doing nowt wrong in law or being unsafe haveing pistols in holsters with No full mags and if you had a rig on the only bit you could see was the bottom of the mag as the rounds were protected from being damaged buy the mag holder ? all mags had to be unloaded on leaving the match and i never saw any one worth his salt with full mags on there rig in gun bags yes , if he did then he would have been DQ or a DNF for being unsafe even the holster had a retention test so it could not just fall out, this was and is a safe way to carry any pistol just like you would carry arifle in its sleave . or on its sling , in the 70'to 90's or even to day pratical pistols are left on the rig as you are not allowed to handle them out side a safty area ,i know i will get flack when someone reads this but if you did't compeat in practical then sorry you missed out and this will sound mad but it worked . over seas and in NI its still the same it was / is the way to carry a safe pistol around, it was the likes of the single sell one shoot every 4 hrs who made the FUSS not the nra buy them selves and thay had to keep them happy, remember the UKPSA made more funds for the NRA than any other type of shooting back then even dehavaland loved pratical pistol . the trade stands had ammo and guns for sale just as thay do today so ? when you see a rifle at bisly in a sling has it got a round in a mag ?? NO its been made safe on the range but practical had a one on one
RO to be no more that an arms distance way at all times no outher shooting has this type of safty that i know of . YUP feel strong on this as we who lost our sport did't do nothing wrong .:tiphat:
Not a problem as I simply felt a tad underdressed at these events given Horseshoe Leather’s largest 911 holster wouldn’t fit my LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag roe deer backup iron:

L_A_R_20Grizzly_zps4417bbd1.jpg


Cheers

K
 
NICE :drool:full mitt full
just like a 44 horton sp 4" it did wake you up?
I had one IN ALL SATIN, king leather made a holsters for them also had a Des-E with PACK GRIPPS AND ALL , i USED TO RUN STI AND SVI in 38 SUPERS IN COMP THEN 9X25 DILLON AND A 9X19 FOR USE ON STEEL CHALANGE IN USA
i used to run the steels masters at bisly as side show for guns to play on and that grizz used to snap out the steel plate from holders hahahahaha keep us on the welders at night then thay were :ban:as the damaged put the range out of use for others o well pictures and vid left now and some good mates on same song sheet :old:


Not a problem as I simply felt a tad underdressed at these events given Horseshoe Leather’s largest 911 holster wouldn’t fit my LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag roe deer backup iron:

L_A_R_20Grizzly_zps4417bbd1.jpg


Cheers

K
 
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