Putting Together a Pre-DSC2 Portfolio – Suggestions Please!

blowin

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Having just passed DSC1 (which I thought would be a good grounding in the basics) I've applied for an FAC and am setting out on my stalking 'apprenticeship'.

I've been advised by a helpful fellow SD member to put together a 'portfolio' of my experiences to help me provide evidence to get any mentoring conditions removed when it's appropriate. I'd also like to keep a record of my shooting that I can look back on and perhaps learn from – i.e. whether certain areas are more productive at certain times/under certain conditions.

Does anyone have suggestions as to what I should include beyond the obvious dates/times/people/what happened? Does the DSC2 portfolio have a set format that might be a good start? And, if so, can someone send me an example?

Many thanks.
 
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In any dealings with the police my advice is short, sweet and to the point. If possible stick to a single side of A4 paper. They have given you a FAC so they must have some trust and faith in you. They are very unlikely to want to see physical receipts or pictures of you straddling a carcase. The narrative of the DSC2 if far too wordy for this purpose.

Say what you want, set out your evidence and then remind them of what it is you want.

Dear sir

I am writing to request you amend the conditions on my firearms certificate to allow me to chose where I see fit to shoot.

I have taken my DSC1 in September last year. I have culled 20 deer with Mr Smith the deer stalker and he will testify that I am a safe and experienced shot. I am always very mindful of safe backstops and have let many deer walk away where I didn't feel 100% safe shooting them. Mr Smith's number is 01234 567891.

I enclose a copy of my DSC1 certificate.

I believe I have provided evidence that I am safe and experienced enough to decide where is, and where is not, safe to shoot and request you ammend my firearms certificate conditions accordingly.

Many Thanks

Blowin
 
Many thanks. Useful advice.

Probably should have said that as well as convincing the FEO, I'm also interested in keeping a useful record and perhaps laying the foundations for DSC2. So if anyone can tell me what format that uses then it would really help.
 
Having just passed DSC1 (which I thought would be a good grounding in the basics) I've applied for an FAC and am setting out on my stalking 'apprenticeship'....

One thing you could do is start your stalking Game Book/cull records. I didn't do this and then about 20 years after starting stalking, spent a long time going back through diaries trying to re-assemble and decipher my early records. Also, I have never recorded what rifle I have used in my cull records as I never thought about it when I started. As stated above, keep communications with your FEO to less than one page, but maintain whatever level of detail you are comfortable with.

Good luck. JCS
 
Keeping a game diary is a good idea especially if you are spending time watching and stalking deer as opposed to just knocking large numbers over. You will have a record of memories you can look back on and if you record weather conditions and sightings etc it is all useful information you can draw on in the future.

You won't be able to enter it as evidence for DSC2 although it is handy to have a record of the number of deer you have shot and you will be able to summarise your experience for the relevant section of the DSC2 portfolio.

I agree with what Apache has put. There is no requirement for entering a portfolio to the police to get an open certificate but its handy to have a diary to make reference to if needed.
 
Blowin hello,

Pm me or call and I will explain what is wanted for evidence on the portfolio. Please do not go into game records etc etc. going back for a decade and a life history!!
A brief description of your experience followed by the 3 ICR's accompanied by your candative narrative, backed up with AW notes is more than ample :)

First and foremost go out and shoot some deer before registering for DSC2.

Best regards.

Jon.
 
Having just passed DSC1 (which I thought would be a good grounding in the basics) I've applied for an FAC and am setting out on my stalking 'apprenticeship'.

I've been advised by a helpful fellow SD member to put together a 'portfolio' of my experiences to help me provide evidence to get any mentoring conditions removed when it's appropriate.

Does anyone have suggestions as to what I should include beyond the obvious dates/times/people/what happened? Does the DSC2 portfolio have a set format that might be a good start? And, if so, can someone send me an example?

Many thanks.
Hi Blowin
Drop me a Pm if you want to talk it over I will give you my number I am local and will try to help.
 
This will be interesting Blowin in my experience it depends where in herts you live as to how much trouble you have. If its near me then it may make you pull hair out if other areas may be relatively straight forward. With their mentoring they don't usually seem to request a person and put when accompanied by a suitable person or something along those lines. Lifting it can be just a mixture of time and a letter from someone you have shot with to say you are safe etc. DSC1 will help but my local guy doesn't think its worth the paper its written on, yet when I lived the other side of the county it would have been enough to remove the condition.
 
Thank you everyone for your suggestions, PMs and offers of help. Much appreciated and I will reply to individuals when I have a little more time!

Looking back at my original post (which I've now edited) I now see I should have been much clearer about what I had in mind. I made it sound like it was solely about mentoring conditions whereas what I was thinking was both 'evidence' and a record of what I've done that I can look back on and learn from – for example to see what moves, when and under what conditions in my area.

So having read the posts, I think what I'm after is a Game Book with lots of detail – which is what I'm now going to start!

Thanks again everyone.
 
5th November 1982, 3-35pm, overcast, light drizzle, mild, ssw light breeze, roe doe, aged, left shoulder, heart shot at 65 yds. Mannlicher .270/150grn Norma. My first deer and as clear as the day it happened. There is more information in my diary such as location, the fact it was from a ground level hide above a frost hollow in Sitka replant within a huge FC forest etc. Apart from DSC2 and mentoring removal the records are something to look back on over the years. I keep a little diagram showing the "deer clock" and distance information, shot placement, outcome and other notes. It is interesting looking back on them and much can be learnt from them as your experience grows.
 
Deer stalking is a skill based activity, and whilst the base knowledge can be passed across in few days, it can take many years to really build up the expertise. At DSC2 the assessor s are looking for you to be profficient at the required skills, but not necessarily expert. Most cull records that I've seen or had to record much more relate to species, sex, place shot and deer / carcass condition. What they don't provide is any development of your skill base.

In your DSC 2 portfolio, for each cull you are assessed on four main areas and I think you should focus on building your skills in these areas, and keep appropriate nots to allow to build on these skills. Personally I am not a notes person instead relying on memory and repeated practice. The four areas are:

1) Stalk Deer: - the key skills are very much how you can put yourself to within 100 yards of a deer to allow a safe and successful cull. A lot of the skills are transferable from other fieldsports, but a lot have to be learnt. The first key skill is Basic observation. When ever you are out about learn to look and observe. You can do it anywhere but learn to pick up those small movements - do you naturally see a tree creeper crawling up a tree outside the office, do you see that doe in the corner of the field when you are sitting on the train. Always have binoculars to hand and just spend as much time as you can getting close to wildlife. Learn to move quietly - it is surprising how heavy footed most people are. You don't have to move slowly to move quietly. What you want to be able to do is to see deer before they see you. You then need to be able to tell what they are, and whether or not they are shoot able. Get out and look at deer, but also look at farm animals - try and pick out he old sick animals etc.

2) Cull Deer: - if you are good at 1 above this is quite easy, or should be. You need to be able to put a bullet through the boiler room within minimum of fuss, safely and efficiently. A lot of this skill is rifle handling and all that you learnt in DSC 1 should be 2nd nature. You can study the reactions to shot and you should, but it does take experience to read the signs. Key skill is to take your time, and remember the quickest and most humane way of following up a wounded animal is to give it plenty of time to stiffen up and let the adrenalin fade away. 99% of animals that run will be found dead within 100 to 150 yds at most from where the shot is taken, if you give them 15 to 20 minutes. Follow them up too quickly and spook them, they will be into the next county and little chance of picking them up. Nothing here beats actual culls, but practice at targets, or vermin is all good.

3) Prepare and Inspect dead deer: - there is only so much you can read in the Best Practice Guide. You need to know that, but you have got to just gralloch and prepare a good number of carcasses. There is actually no absolutely correct way, but quite easy to do it wrong. If you follow Welcome | bestpracticeguides you won't be far off. Key skills here are again observation and knowing what looks correct, and this being able spot abnormalities. You are unlikely to ever see Anthrax, but you should certainly be able to pick that lots of internal bleeding is unusual. And having a sharp knife and being able to use it. You should be able to gralloch a beast in your dinner jacket - some people can, I can't, but you defiantly need to be able to do it cleanly and efficiently and be totally aware of cross contamination.

4) transport and storage of dead deer:- a lot is or should be common sense. You need to be able to get that deer from the place of culling back to storage so that when ends up on the plate you have good quality and safe product. The small deer are somewhat easier than big deer, and none of our deer are as big as say a moose. And the extraction will vary according to species, terrain, equipment available etc. but the basic principles are that deer are heavy and awkward, and some have big spiky things as well. Vehicles are also heavy and on steep slopes tend to roll. Ponies - dangerous at both ends. And backpacks, / roe sacks and lifting deer wreck backs and knees. And meat spoils rapidly at anything over 5 degrees centigrade.

So my advice is with every chance you get try and build up those skills. If going out with a guide, make him let you make the mistakes, that's the only way you will learn. There are plenty of stalkers / guides who take the view that the guests job is just to pull the trigger and for everything else he is just a hindrance. If you are paying for stalks spend your money wisely, but equally ask questions and observe. Every stalker is different and his own ways of doing hints and that is how you learn.

Have fun!
 
Thanks again everyone for your posts – it's great how much effort people have gone to in order to pass on advice and much appreciated.

I think hillmouse's 'My first deer and as clear as the day it happened' line really struck a chord. So the deer diary starts here...
 
Blowin - happy to help. One last piece of advice, quickly learn that the actual shooting bit is 1% of stalking if that and is very quickly forgotten. The bit that's good for the soul and frankly why we do it is the anticipation, the sitting watching, laughing at the antics of two young deer frolicking in the late spring sunshine, eyeballing a large buck from five yards away and letting him go on his way, the frustrations of that cull buck who seems to have befriended all the horses and is laughing at you, or the memory of taking your nephews up a Scottish Munro looking for a good cull stag, being successful, them helping you butcher it and then carrying it off the hill and sitting by the fire with a bunch of good friends having polished off a really good venison stew that you shot, butchered and then cooked. DSC 2 doesn't capture this, but actually it is all of the above and more that is actually the important parts of any sport. I have seen many novices in different sports get very frustrated that the weather is not right or that they don't get a shot - learn to enjoy the whole part part and savour when you get a reward.
 
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