Split 30-06 cases what's the cause likely to be?!

[Brithunter]

The question is did they use the correct specification of gauges. I seem to recall SAMMI revised a lot of their specs but the rifle needs to be checked to the specs that were in force at the time of it's manufacture!

As the rifle ahs been shot with other makes of ammunition before by it's previous owner with no problem and no problem arose until the use of this super dooper new ammo and the inspection has been done by the importer I would really want an independent opinion and inspection as I smell a rat!

 

[stratts]

2nd opinion going to be sought after further advise and speaking to Keith. I am green when it comes to riflesmithing so have no idea of what's involved.

 

[stratts]

The question is did they use the correct specification of gauges. I seem to recall SAMMI revised a lot of their specs but the rifle needs to be checked to the specs that were in force at the time of it's manufacture!

As the rifle ahs been shot with other makes of ammunition before by it's previous owner with no problem and no problem arose until the use of this super dooper new ammo and the inspection has been done by the importer I would really want an independent opinion and inspection as I smell a rat!

Kev,
The fella who checked it is an independant riflesmith who my gunshop uses, but I have no idea if there is any sway towards Hornady from either of them?!

 

[Sinistral]

Just had word back from the gunshop that the aught 6 has a headspace issue with the bolt closing on the no-go guage!! I don't know any more than that but it's enough to render the rifle legally unusable as it's out of proof apparantly!

Bit of a blow obviously but a good thing that it's been checked. Unfortunately looking at a hefty bill for repairs and reproofing, etc, so a decision to be made.

Still a kind gesture by Keith and it's just one of those things I guess,

Cheers

Stratts

For the avoidance of doubt, can you clarify & confirm your previous post?

This is the verdict of an independent gunsmith - not FRSS who sold you the ammo?

Just so it's clear to everyone.

 

[stratts]

I took the rifle to FRSS who then took it to the riflesmith that they use, whose number I have and am going to ring shortly. It was not FRSS who did the actual check on the rifle.

 

[sikadog]

I have spoken to Stratts and told him to send the rifle back to me.
I would have carried on shooting the Bsa I also would have not given it to Stratts if I though it was unsafe. I am also going to re emburse any costs that have been incurred.
It just goes to show that trying to do anyone a favour comes back to bite you.

 

[csl]

I have spoken to Stratts and told him to send the rifle back to me.
I would have carried on shooting the Bsa I also would have not given it to Stratts if I though it was unsafe. I am also going to re emburse any costs that have been incurred.
It just goes to show that trying to do anyone a favour comes back to bite you.

Please don't feel bad about this. Everyone is aware that you acted in good faith and that the problem only showed up when using a particularly hot factory load. Speaking for the site we are really pleased at the generosity of our members and yours was a particularly generous donation towards the bursary scheme and despite the fact it didn't work out this time we are still very grateful.

Alex

 

[bewsher500]

Quite right

still doesn't sound a straightforward case in my opinion!
i would want to see it shoot a normal factory load like the ones it had been firing!

 

[Klenchblaize]

Sikadog may indeed have learnt an uninvited lesson but I would hope stratts is considerably the wiser too as frankly he should have pulled this thread or at least halted such at post #6 rather than simply adding kindling. Certainly there was no good reason in my mind to so publicly post his gunsmith’s findings and that, at the very least, demonstrates either a certain naivety or lack of sensitivity.

Crazy to try and determine a problem with such life-safety considerations on line and where, as we know, there is never a dearth of ‘experts’ or members eager for confrontation.

My view only of course.

K

 

[NeilG]

Sikadog may indeed have learnt an uninvited lesson but I would hope stratts is considerably the wiser too as frankly he should have pulled this thread or at least halted such at post #6 rather than simply adding kindling. Certainly there was no good reason in my mind to so publicly post his gunsmith’s findings and that, at the very least, demonstrates either a certain naivety or lack of sensitivity.

Crazy to try and determine a problem with such life-safety considerations on line and where, as we know, there is never a dearth of ‘experts’ or members eager for confrontation.

My view only of course.

K

+1 - Sums it up well. Great shame.

 

[gixer1]

Sikadog may indeed have learnt an uninvited lesson but I would hope stratts is considerably the wiser too as frankly he should have pulled this thread or at least halted such at post #6 rather than simply adding kindling. Certainly there was no good reason in my mind to so publicly post his gunsmith’s findings and that, at the very least, demonstrates either a certain naivety or lack of sensitivity.

Crazy to try and determine a problem with such life-safety considerations on line and where, as we know, there is never a dearth of ‘experts’ or members eager for confrontation.

My view only of course.

K

I dissagree i'm afraid - he asked for advice which is after all what a forum is for - he did not slate anyone and made it 100% clear that it was not a dig at anyone and that he was greatful for the generosity of Sikadog - everyone (including me) was curious to the outcome and it has brought a few important things to the table that some may not know - I also believe there is more to the story and the measurement may be off as a rifle does not usually go from shooting ok with standard factory rounds to bursting cases - the other thing in question is the "hotter than average" rounds used ....

we need this type of info publicised so others can learn from it - there was no mud slinging from what i can see.

Regards,

Gixer

 

[stratts]

Sikadog may indeed have learnt an uninvited lesson but I would hope stratts is considerably the wiser too as frankly he should have pulled this thread or at least halted such at post #6 rather than simply adding kindling. Certainly there was no good reason in my mind to so publicly post his gunsmith’s findings and that, at the very least, demonstrates either a certain naivety or lack of sensitivity.

Crazy to try and determine a problem with such life-safety considerations on line and where, as we know, there is never a dearth of ‘experts’ or members eager for confrontation.

My view only of course.

K

So it took you til post #89 to say I should have pulled the thread at post #6!!?!

I have always said how grateful I am to Keith for the rifle and as the thread has evolved, I have just been openly updating it as things have happened. Call it what you will I am just being honest, not 'adding kindling' ffs!! If people didn't post questions or advice there wouldn't be a forum!!

I've spoken to the riflesmith personally but shall be keeping things between me and Keith from here on in until it's resolved, thus being more sensitive and less naive!!

 

[Cut+Squirt]

I have spoken to Stratts and told him to send the rifle back to me.
I would have carried on shooting the Bsa I also would have not given it to Stratts if I though it was unsafe. I am also going to re emburse any costs that have been incurred.
It just goes to show that trying to do anyone a favour comes back to bite you.

Can't ask for any fairer than that lads !!!

{Although i'm still suspicious of those Hornady Superformance}

 

[Klenchblaize]

So it took you til post #89 to say I should have pulled the thread at post #6!!?!

I have always said how grateful I am to Keith for the rifle and as the thread has evolved, I have just been openly updating it as things have happened. Call it what you will I am just being honest, not 'adding kindling' ffs!! If people didn't post questions or advice there wouldn't be a forum!!

I've spoken to the riflesmith personally but shall be keeping things between me and Keith from here on in until it's resolved, thus being more sensitive and less naive!!

For the record I read this thread from start to finish (every post) for the first time this afternoon.

Nothing wrong with questions but you had the correct guidance early on in what is so clearly a matter with potential to impact life or limb.

My reference to naivety is wholly driven by the apparent failure to recognise the devolving insensitivity of epic proportions. Namely a bloke gives you a rifle and even after acknowledging you wished you'd never started the thread that clearly brings into question the servicability of the unit, you nonetheless plod on until sikadog is stretched and nailed to the site's Server Room door!

My view only of course

K

 

[bewsher500]

you must be reading a different thread
I don't get the undercurrent of Sikadog being stretched and nailed to anything. It remains a most generous gesture

I am still not convinced this is as straightforward as it sounds and until I see a similarly split case of a normal load I will remain unconvinced.
The rounds tested are known to produce issues

surely you start by excluding those as the issue?

 

[Whitebeard]

This is a very simple open and shut case, hot loads will show up any headspace issues much more then mild/standard loads and a headspace check has shown it to be the excessive headspace, what more proof is needed!!

Ian.

 

[stratts]

This is a very simple open and shut case, hot loads will show up any headspace issues much more then mild/standard loads and a headspace check has shown it to be the excessive headspace, what more proof is needed!!

Ian.

Yep I think you're right and maybe the thread should now be closed after ascertaining the following?

a. I may be genuine and honest but also a little naive!!
b. The generosity of people of this forum, especially Sikadog, is without question
c. I've learnt all about headspace and case seperation in a pretty short time
d. The rifle seems to have a headspace problem that only came to light after using high velocity rounds

It'll get sorted ammicably one way or the other so before the thread goes off track maybe the mods may feel it can be closed?

Cheers

Stratts