SD deer dog register
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straightbetweentheeyes
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Did you find it? Not wanting to derail the thread how about a write up? I'm sure everyone would find it interesting found or not....
mereside
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pulled up to the ground just getting indy tracking lead on and got the call to stay put as it was couched up ,so it was dispatched and a good result.
The big thing was actually been asked to come out to help ,i have put alot of time in training indy and myself and still training but feel confident in indy
The big thing was actually been asked to come out to help ,i have put alot of time in training indy and myself and still training but feel confident in indy
straightbetweentheeyes
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All good practice, even getting yourself prepared for a real track... Next time you might not get butterflies so much and be able to focus a bit better, I know when I went out to my first real track I was ****ting myself!
Cut+Squirt
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The issue of deer dogs and a deer dog register has been rumbling on for long and weary . . .a quick search shows threads of almost two years old discussing exactly the same points as are being spoken about just now. . . .
straightbetweentheeyes
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straightbetweentheeyes
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Perhaps there are more people with a REAL interest in tracking now than two years ago? This register is gathering pace and I know of a fair few who will be committed to it... So perhaps keep your negativity to yourself you old Scrooge..
cookingfat
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The issue of deer dogs and a deer dog register has been rumbling on for long and weary . . .a quick search shows threads of almost two years old discussing exactly the same points as are being spoken about just now. . . .
Cadex, A register is a long time away yet, but things are moving with education and better training for tracking dogs not deer dogs...!!!!
Cut+Squirt
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Your maybe right . .
I don't deny theres plenty of people interested in using their dog to track deer . . . however few that have any deer to actually track. . . .A 'tracking dog' has become the new gucci stalking accessory whether you have work for one or not.
I'll tell you what has surprised me even more than anything else though . . . . that the usual suspects haven't chimmed in with an opinion on tracking dog testing yet . .
I shall wait with baited breath . . .
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Cut+Squirt
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Isn't that just playing with words mate . . . i'm not sure there is a huge difference.
cookingfat
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Oh how wrong you are.. pity your so far away Cadex other wise you could come see. . .
Next time this happens , maybe you could ask if you can still try and follow up to the now dead deer
that way you and Indy will get a bit more experience working a real life track together
mereside
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stone thanks for the comments ,we have done a few live tracks and all a success,In future i will do this if called out again,or i lose an animal.
I thaught after a well worked track/area better not to in dark . also all tracks laid via foot she has done really well and stalks alongside me now to gain experience in stalking ,atb wayne
I thaught after a well worked track/area better not to in dark . also all tracks laid via foot she has done really well and stalks alongside me now to gain experience in stalking ,atb wayne
Your right ... There is not a huge difference
but it could be the difference of finding the deer or not
i hav a kennel full of dogs that are capable of finding a shot deer but in reality there is only 2 in that kennel that really have the determination to follow a difficult track and over distance
be it the breed , the breeding or the training
if you get all 3 right then you will hav a dog that can be relied on for virtually any situ
as already stated by one poster
they hav a dog that has found every deer he has put his dog onto
but says his dog would not/could not follow a 24 hour cold track over a 1000 yards
who would he call on if he leg shot a deer on last light and could not find it even the next morning
That deer could easily gone a couple of mile if pushed
no body has suggested his dogs are no good but even the likes of that person may need back up one day
It is that simple
I have registered my interests with Widu already
why
because he has a team that is trained to a higher standard than my own that I hav no doubts about
That's my back up if ever needed
No gucci type stalking companion , no my dog is better than yours ,
If you are going to hav a back up plan , then make sure you hav a good one
this register i believe is not trying to replace those that already hav dogs but to try and help those with out and also those who hav a dog for when that dog fails to find
no one is even suggesting that the trained dog will find 100% of the deer it is put on but it will hav in my eyes a better chance than most
Cadex don't be so negative, not every stalker has a dog of any description never mind a deer dog, trained or not. Also you may shoot a lot of deer compared to others but so what. As for the usual suspects we are still here and trying to make the situation better not worse. Oh ! I agree with you some may have a dog as the latest must have accessory mine though and some others here, ain't . Anyway I think you would like to join the register really ! don't be such a grump it's not like you , or then again ??. Have a nice day..
Got a funeral today a very good old friend and a true character also a Heavy Horse' man, we used to be terrier men for the hunt and we had so many good days and nights digging foxes. So it puts things in perspective really, we all gota do what we gota do ! or we can spend our short time here pouring cold water on everything . All the OP wished to do is form something useful to help others nationally. If you have a better idea please let us hear it. I do not mean to sound bad or anything but so far it's been pretty good natured don't you think.Considering we are talking tracking and a test to prove ability that's usually a signal to get the handbags out again.
Regards Widu, PS, good post Stone.
Got a funeral today a very good old friend and a true character also a Heavy Horse' man, we used to be terrier men for the hunt and we had so many good days and nights digging foxes. So it puts things in perspective really, we all gota do what we gota do ! or we can spend our short time here pouring cold water on everything . All the OP wished to do is form something useful to help others nationally. If you have a better idea please let us hear it. I do not mean to sound bad or anything but so far it's been pretty good natured don't you think.Considering we are talking tracking and a test to prove ability that's usually a signal to get the handbags out again.
Regards Widu, PS, good post Stone.
Jagare
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It do's amaze me That other countries can have a system in place to track wounded/injured deer. The UK stalking scene with all its spout about, best practice this and best practice that throws animal welfare out the window once the shot has been taken. I know from my years of stalking in England the , oh i think i missed attitude that many "stalkers " have.
Its a good thing there are people who see beyond the shot and truly have deer welfare in mind. It should not matter wether you are shooting Munties or reds all deer are worthy of finding after the shot.
The good thing is attitudes are changing and in the future there will be more real tracking dogs out there. To me tracking is a hunting form in its own right.
Its a good thing there are people who see beyond the shot and truly have deer welfare in mind. It should not matter wether you are shooting Munties or reds all deer are worthy of finding after the shot.
The good thing is attitudes are changing and in the future there will be more real tracking dogs out there. To me tracking is a hunting form in its own right.
straightbetweentheeyes
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nail on head...
I am bringing Harris home today, an eight week old English Springer. It is my intention to train him on tracking deer. I appreciate that he is not a Bavarian Mountain Hound, a German Wire Haired Pointer etc etc, but he is from a solid working background and I am 100% committed so worth a go I think. Although I am a long long way from any register at the moment, I would really love to consider this in the future when both of us are fit for purpose. If anyone near North Dorset has any help / training to offer, I am seriously interested. I have read all the books but nothing beats talking to real people who are involved.
This is all good stuff.
This is all good stuff.
As with my first thread states any one taking money off clients should have a competent dog to follow up. With a lot of sport lots of hunters expect others to have dogs to pick up or find lost quarry, does anyone think before going out they firstly should have in their minds only safe and accurate shots should be taken and also know and arrange prior back up with the people with dogs available in the local area? As for looking for one after 72hrs as some one said would in my opinion be disgraceful, even the american blood hounds would be struggling. With regards to the springer spaniel if trained right there is no reason why not, as with labs they are used on a great number of different jobs and excel at them all.
Wolverine
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Bang on.....
Best Practise where dogs/tracking are concerned is non-exsistent.
Why?
Could it be because there is not the knowledge that people think they have....
Even,lo and behold,that on the continent they are light years ahead with working with dogs.
When the rifle started here after the war,the tracking scene should have started at the same time.
We would have had a 50 year head start on where we are just now.
Stalking with a rifle started due too deer welfare.....much the same as tracking in this country needs to as well.
Not anything canine can find wounded deer....certain breeds,labs,wires included lend themselves to such a job as do other breeds.
As Jagare intimates above this is a sport in its own right,not all who have a deer dog can allow themselves the time or dedication required to track.Nothing wrong with that but don't just say that there is no need for it because there is the need,if we are honest,people just now as Jagare says just put it down to a miss when a trained handler may well find that lightly wounded deer and end suffering,this is surely what tracking is about.
Saying oh that deer would have survived is not really acceptable either as I'm sure many deer survived pre rifle days as well,ie with shotgun pellets in them.
It doesn't make it right.
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