RTA humane dispatch courses

[Cut+Squirt]

I think in answer to why some people do it.

Some people are compassionate about deer, some will put it in the food chain so a commercial gain though not legal, some for personal consumption

Some folk thrive on the call out and are excited to attend an RTA.

Sure there are many other reasons but I still cannot see a reason why having a number of tools to humanely despatch a deer cannot be a good thing if competently proficient in their use.

Your prob right .. although why anyone would actually want to pay for
a course to do it is beyond me .. but each to their own I suppose.

I think the hedgehog society is running a HVC course as well next spring...

This will allow you to apply for a Karcher steam cleaner with full choke 24 inch varmint
lance hehe.

 

[Apache]

From someone with pistols in the cabinet, they are one of my last choices for RTA dispatch. The only times I have used them for deer is when I have been called out and not gone via home to get a more suitable weapon.

I use them for shooting cattle and horses. Tall animals that are standing you cannot safely use a long barrelled gun - need to use it one handed pointing down.

I can see the potential use tracking deer in heavy cover. I cannot see a situation with RTAs where a pistol would ever be 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice.

Personally I hate getting called out to these sorts of incident. Can be emotional, dangerous and I get no pleasure from the task. And I get paid for doing so!

I honestly think you are all mad.

 

[cookingfat]

From someone with pistols in the cabinet, they are one of my last choices for RTA dispatch. The only times I have used them for deer is when I have been called out and not gone via home to get a more suitable weapon.

I use them for shooting cattle and horses. Tall animals that are standing you cannot safely use a long barrelled gun - need to use it one handed pointing down.


I can see the potential use tracking deer in heavy cover. I cannot see a situation with RTAs where a pistol would ever be 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice.

Personally I hate getting called out to these sorts of incident. Can be emotional, dangerous and I get no pleasure from the task. And I get paid for doing so!

I honestly think you are all mad.[/QUOTE
yep your right Apache, we are all mad getting out mostly in the middle of the night, all the people that I speak to in my part of the world
Do for one reason alone and its not to try and get a pistol on there ticket, it because they are passionate about deer snd deer welfare nothing else, but as you rightly say a pistol would be my last choice for the job, shotgun gun mostly all the time but aways take a rifle, dangerous it could be if you dont follow a code, most of the time the police will have called you out so they job is to make things safe for you and others, if the police are not there and you think there is a danger then call them out, aways get an incident number before you attend any rta.

 

[Jelendeer]

BDS course on dispatch load of crap ,pistols for dispatch another load of crap .
Just to point something out I had pistols for many years .

10 deer this year I've road side dispatched , the closest similarity they had was they had all been hit by vehicles class room humane dispatch on each and every road side dispatch you have to treat like your first ,as you don't know what's involved ,a deer hanging out a vehicle or half dead at the side of the road , police involvement etc the lst is endless

Ive watched a man with a pistol go to dispatch a deer with a pistol 4 shots (joke) another approached a deer with a pistol and it got up a run pistol again a waste of time .

Boys toys sum it up pretty well .

​+1

 

[sussex stalker]

Very True!!!

From someone with pistols in the cabinet, they are one of my last choices for RTA dispatch. The only times I have used them for deer is when I have been called out and not gone via home to get a more suitable weapon.

I use them for shooting cattle and horses. Tall animals that are standing you cannot safely use a long barrelled gun - need to use it one handed pointing down.

I can see the potential use tracking deer in heavy cover. I cannot see a situation with RTAs where a pistol would ever be 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice.

Personally I hate getting called out to these sorts of incident. Can be emotional, dangerous and I get no pleasure from the task. And I get paid for doing so!

I honestly think you are all mad.

 

[Jelendeer]

As a course provider Mike you have failed on every front to answer proficiently why a Pistol is not needed other than its not in your opinion or owners have one as an extension of their penis.

Youll need to let me know how this stand up with your new BASC accreditation.

Its a disgrace you cant adequately answer responses especially when one of your own Trainers/ Field Officers at the time stated he had despatched over three hundred deer with a pistol.

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are Mike but atleast as a Training provider back it up with some substance

Terry

My dear Terry,

Our BASC Accreditation has nothing to with my opinion on pistols for humane dispatch of deer.

My reasons for my opinion? Well I have seen one case where a guy needed three shots to dispatch a yearling Red stag on a roadside!!! ... Not pretty.

I witnessed another 'humane dispatcher' at an RTA shoot an injured Roe doe through the ear, then through the nose, and then had to reload before finally hitting it in the head - all from only 4 metres! ... Scary.

And yet another 'Humane Dispatcher' try and restrain a Red hind that was thrashing around so he could shoot it in the brain!!! ... In the struggle he nearly shot his own arm off when the gun went off accidentally!! ... Frightening.

Another deer farmer culling Fallow deer in a pen using captive bolt (admitted, he didn't use a pistol) but still managed to shoot the bolt through the back of his own hand!!! ... Worrying

I could go on, but suffice to say that in all except the penned Fallow, a shotgun would have been perfect - but the 'USERS' preferred to use the pistol.

All in all a pretty poor show. As far as people claiming to have shot 300 deer, I can't possibly comment!!! ...

Regards,

​Mike.

 

[jamross65]

The 'several shots from a pistol to dispatch' argument holds absolutely no water with me, as over the years I've seen several guys take several shots from a rifle to dispatch a deer as well!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Your prob right .. although why anyone would actually want to pay for
a course to do it is beyond me .. but each to their own I suppose.

I think the hedgehog society is running a HVC course as well next spring...

This will allow you to apply for a Karcher steam cleaner with full choke 24 inch varmint
lance hehe.

Cheers for the heads up on new courses, im sure Mikes busy prepping for it as we speak

I havent paid for any RTA courses and my two shot amongst other pistols are not dedicated on my ticket for RTA's

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Beat me to it Jamross..

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

My dear Terry,

Our BASC Accreditation has nothing to with my opinion on pistols for humane dispatch of deer.

My reasons for my opinion? Well I have seen one case where a guy needed three shots to dispatch a yearling Red stag on a roadside!!! ... Not pretty.

I witnessed another 'humane dispatcher' at an RTA shoot an injured Roe doe through the ear, then through the nose, and then had to reload before finally hitting it in the head - all from only 4 metres! ... Scary.

And yet another 'Humane Dispatcher' try and restrain a Red hind that was thrashing around so he could shoot it in the brain!!! ... In the struggle he nearly shot his own arm off when the gun went off accidentally!! ... Frightening.

Another deer farmer culling Fallow deer in a pen using captive bolt (admitted, he didn't use a pistol) but still managed to shoot the bolt through the back of his own hand!!! ... Worrying

I could go on, but suffice to say that in all except the penned Fallow, a shotgun would have been perfect - but the 'USERS' preferred to use the pistol.

All in all a pretty poor show. As far as people claiming to have shot 300 deer, I can't possibly comment!!! ...

Regards,

​Mike.

My dearest dear Mike,

Having advertised Tony Lascelles as a Trainer/ Field Officer who stated the exact number of deer shot using his pistol on here.

The no comment or cant possibly comment is very convenient when putting forward a poor response to a thread or in this case suits your view.

Tony not wanting to burn his bridges may well come on and back you up but regardless Mike nobody has put forward a good reason other than theyve seen a few misses which happens every day with a rifle.

Terry

 

[User00047]

There are many of us who would like to own and shoot a handgun but cannot justify owning one for humane dispatch as 99 times out of 100 a shotgun/rifle would be a better tool for the job and carrying a sidearm around whilst deerstalking would just be plain daft. I am sure that some folks with a handgun on their ticket genuinely find it useful but I am equally certain that there are just as many guys out there using "humane dispatch" as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood at the expense of deer welfare..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0-oinyjsk0

 

[Jelendeer]

There are many of us who would like to own and shoot a handgun but cannot justify owning one for humane dispatch as 99 times out of 100 a shotgun/rifle would be a better tool for the job and carrying a sidearm around whilst deerstalking would just be plain daft. I am sure that some folks with a handgun on their ticket genuinely find it useful but I am equally certain that there are just as many guys out there using "humane dispatch" as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood at the expense of deer welfare..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0-oinyjsk0

​Oooooooch - Harsh, but fair!!!!

 

[cookingfat]

There are many of us who would like to own and shoot a handgun but cannot justify owning one for humane dispatch as 99 times out of 100 a shotgun/rifle would be a better tool for the job and carrying a sidearm around whilst deerstalking would just be plain daft. I am sure that some folks with a handgun on their ticket genuinely find it useful but I am equally certain that there are just as many guys out there using "humane dispatch" as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood at the expense of deer welfare..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0-oinyjsk0

Yep mostly true.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

Your prob right .. although why anyone would actually want to pay for
a course to do it is beyond me .. but each to their own I suppose.

I think the hedgehog society is running a HVC course as well next spring...

This will allow you to apply for a Karcher steam cleaner with full choke 24 inch varmint
lance hehe.

Wasn't a dig at you pheasant sniper, or indeed anyone else.
Was just my dry sense of humor.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Wasn't a dig at you pheasant sniper, or indeed anyone else.
Was just my dry sense of humor.

Not taken as a dig mate

There must be more guys on here that having had their hand guns removed wished to continue with all that was left on the table..

Having loved the sport I personally took what I was able to legally own.

My long pistol would have had John Wayne and Dirty Harry running for the hills but then its longer than some rifles on offer these days..

I dont think other than a personal preferance or misses seen theres been a good answer yet

 

[geordieh]

There are many of us who would like to own and shoot a handgun but cannot justify owning one for humane dispatch as 99 times out of 100 a shotgun/rifle would be a better tool for the job and carrying a sidearm around whilst deerstalking would just be plain daft. I am sure that some folks with a handgun on their ticket genuinely find it useful but I am equally certain that there are just as many guys out there using "humane dispatch" as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood at the expense of deer welfare..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0-oinyjsk0

Please explain why it would be at the expense of deer surely if you need a handgun 1 time out of a hundred that is your justification.If you have a pistol for humane despatch it would be dafter leaving it at home and then needing it when you are stalking.
Geordie

 

[mereside]

There are many of us who would like to own and shoot a handgun but cannot justify owning one for humane dispatch as 99 times out of 100 a shotgun/rifle would be a better tool for the job and carrying a sidearm around whilst deerstalking would just be plain daft. I am sure that some folks with a handgun on their ticket genuinely find it useful but I am equally certain that there are just as many guys out there using "humane dispatch" as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood at the expense of deer welfare..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0-oinyjsk0

I dont understand why it is daft to stalk with a hangun to use if needed surely its the deers welfare at risk when you bob off back home to go get the shotgun.
and as for playing clint eastwood you can't use one unless you have reason so thats out.
There are many reasons to use one and as terry pointed out knowbody has said a reason not too that can back up why you should not and mikes examples where operator error not the error of the hangun or bolt gun the same with bobs findings.
like others have said plenty of people doing the same with a rifle what i do find strange with all this health and safety talk that it is acceptable to possibly shoot a rifle on hands and knees into forestry or out of it with a bullet that will exit but yet use a heavy slow lead bullet that won't exit a beast or cause harm to others in the same situations, with a handgun you have full field of view unlike using a rifle and you can only download a rifle so much. atb wayne

 

[cookingfat]

I'm intrigued!

Why do people go out at 2.00am to dispatch a deer free of charge???? .... What drives them???? .... Just interested!

Regards,

Mike.

Mike, I think l have said it before,but will say it again, deer have and continue to give me a great deal pleasure, so if I can give something back then I will, thats what drives me to get up at 2am and do it for nothing when the police call,

I take it you only see deer as a way of making money and am surprised you have to ask what drives people like me to do these call outs.

 

[8x57]

I think that’s being a little bit ungenerous there Tony. We all know that most people turn out for exactly the same reasons as yourself, because they have a genuine interest in deer and their welfare. However I don’t see the point of them having to pay for the “privilege” of attending deer RTAs as this is simply adding insult to injury. In fact you said the very same yourself earlier in the debate. I dare say that Mike Jelen has turned out himself on more than one occasion.

I don’t live in a deer area myself but a very good friend of mine does and he is on call and has been for a number of years with his local police force. He was required to attend a short training course run by a police inspector who co-ordinates the scheme and was supplied with a sur-coat and informed of the kit that he should carry for both his and the safety of the public. Sometimes it goes many weeks without having a call but on occasions he has turned out twice in a night and even three times in a week. He’s now at the point when he’s going to call it a day because of the number of wasted call outs late at night and in all weathers. He also complains about the wasted journeys where incorrect details have been given and where police officers decide not to attend.

There was no charge for the course which the police ran and my friend doesn't get any sort of payment or expenses. Yes he does use a pistol on occasion but usually prefers to use a shotgun or rifle. He sees the pistol as just one of a number of useable tools and in no way an extension of his manhood. He uses the most appropriate tool for the incident.

Personally I fail to see why this is such an emotive and divisive subject in particular the use of pistols for humane despatch. There’s no one more than me who misses pistols but there is no way that I personally could demonstrate good reason and I don’t believe that the majority of stalkers could either, but there are some for which it is exactly the right tool for the job under certain circumstances..

 

[jamross65]

There are many of us who would like to own and shoot a handgun but cannot justify owning one for humane dispatch as 99 times out of 100 a shotgun/rifle would be a better tool for the job and carrying a sidearm around whilst deerstalking would just be plain daft. I am sure that some folks with a handgun on their ticket genuinely find it useful but I am equally certain that there are just as many guys out there using "humane dispatch" as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood at the expense of deer welfare..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0-oinyjsk0

Well if there are guys using it as an excuse to play Clint Eastwood, then that is a failing in the vetting system and a matter for the police authority to address, it does not mean that those of us who see it as a valuable tool to be used as dictated by the circumstances are wrong.

Your last point however, regarding 'at the expense of deer welfare...', can you explain? Are you suggesting that because a handgun is owned it will be used for something other than dispatch of a wounded deer?