S-class shoot Bisley Sept 28th

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S-Class shoot (sporting rifle) at Bisley on the morning of Sunday 28th September. All are welcome.


For those that have not heard of S-class, it is is a relatively new shooting class which will enable you to shoot competitively with an off the shelf sporting rifle or any other type of rifle that meets the shoot requirements.
S-class concept has been thought up by Dave of the Shooting Shed in an attempt to get away from the arms race that modern target shooting has become.
S Class came about as a result of a desire by Dave to return scoped competition shooting to an ethically purer level without the need for heavy weight, long barrelled rifles and is aimed at Hunters and Club Shooters who wish to compete -against likeminded shooters.
"This is a lightweight rifle class of shooting and in an ideal situation a competitor would walk to the firing point with a rifle in a slip and a couple of ammunition boxes in his pocket, I would suggest that any person who wishes to compete but needs to make two trip to and from his car to carry his/her kit needs to rethink their approach to the discipline".


There have been regular S-class shoots organised at Cawdor with Strathpeffer RPC which have been a great success and now it's time to hold one at Bisley.


S-class is for rifles of:
Max 26" barrel
Max 6Kgs weight
Max 12X 'scope
Harris type folding bipod or sling
No rear bag or fixed or adjustable support
No single feed actions so must be internal or detachable magazine feed.
.22 centerfire up to HME limit. Also 3,280fps max velocity on military ranges.
No muzzle brakes.
Other than that anything goes, as long as it is range legal and if your 'scope is 24X variable just turn it down to 12X.
We will be a bit flexible about equipment, it's more important to get people on the firing point at this stage however your score will not be eligible if your rifle is out of spec.


Weight Limits for S-Class | Sporting-Class.com




The basic format of this shoot will be...
300yds- 2sighters + 5 shots
500yds- 5 shots no sighters.
600yds- 5 shots no sighters.
The competition will use the Bisley F-class targets marked by a Bisley marker. Each shot will be marked with an orange spotting disk.
Scoring will be by a spotter from the firing point.


The shoot will be run as a guest day by Wessex Rifles, a Home Office approved club, enabling those without safety certification (required at Bisley) or any club membership to shoot while accompanied 1:1 by a Wessex member.

Non NRA members and shooters without safety certificates are very welcome but need to contact me by the 20 Sept with full name and address. This is a legal requirement for clubs inviting non members to guest days.


There will also be a lane booked to shoot longer range in the afternoon, probably at 900yds. This will not be part of the S-class competition and can be shot with any (range legal) rifle and still as a guest of Wessex Rifles so bring a heavy rifle too.


The cost will be £15 for the morning or £30 for the whole day.
If you wish to shoot, please contact me ASAP by email to oaken8 at ymail.com so I can gauge the level of attendance and book the lanes required. Please say if you wish to attend all day. If many more turn up for the number of lanes booked, priority will be given to those who have confirmed their intention to shoot by submitting personal details. ie. with name, address and mobile no.


I hope you will support this new shooting class, and maybe consider using the same parameters within your own club shoots.
Rup. Oaken8 at ymail.com
 
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That depends on how well attended this one is and wether we get positive feedback.
I would like to run three next year.
The guys on full bore do an S-class postal shoot if that's of any interest to you.
 
This is an opportunity for field shooters to shoot at Bisley without all the claptrap of joining clubs and getting safe shooter certificates. You will also to be shooting with like minded Sporting rifle folk with a guarrantee of shooting 3 distances in a morning.
Also the NRA shooting club charges £25 for a morning so this, at £15 is a bargain!
We already have enough people committed for one lane, hoping for more!
So come and take advantage of a great opportunity.
Gary, I'll put you down as a maybe.
 
The S-class format is more about the rifle spec and no rear support than the actual distance and is still very much evolving. I have changed things around a bit to suit the way things happen at Bisley. I wanted to have 200,400 & 600yds but that didn't fit the range template so had to take what was offered. Be great to shoot unknown distances too, but that's almost impossible on most ranges.
The guys at Fullbore.com do a postal S-class comp, though I have yet to see what targets they use.
It would be great if S-class could be integrated into many club shoots as a sub-discipline.
Organise one! I'd really like to see it catch on and am pleasantly surprised how many are expressing interest in this one.
rup
 
Sounds just up my street, I would have come at the drop of a hat, but its my mates wedding that weekend!! It's also my birthday!!! So I am not sure if my family would appreciate me f@ucking them all off to come to Bisley for the day :roll:

Let me know if you plan on doing it in the future, I would definitely like to give this a go.

Cheers
 
I think anything that increases opportunity for sporting-rifle shooters to shoot can only be a good thing.

However, if this takes off as a competitive event then there will surely be an 'arms race' within the limits set, just as there has been in all other competitive sporting events where equipment makes a difference.

Further, although I can see the point of practising with ordinary sporting rifles at ranges to 400yds (the more conservative might say 300yds), I wonder what would be gained by their use beyond that?

I know that this is intended as a the use of sporting rifles in what is clearly a target, rather than a sporting, practice; but a case could be made for a discipline involving sporting rifles at shorter ranges (up to 300yds, perhaps?) with the challenge being derived from the variety of positions, shooting without sticks/bipods.

It might be that most clubs would be perfectly happy for folk to shoot in F/TR and TR shoots with sporting rifles if that's what they wanted, but the difficulty would be the deviation from 2+20 or 2+15 course of fire at the 'range of the day' - which presumably is partly to avoid overheating lightweight barrels.
 
Dalua said:
I think anything that increases opportunity for sporting-rifle shooters to shoot can only be a good thing.

However, if this takes off as a competitive event then there will surely be an 'arms race' within the limits set, just as there has been in all other competitive sporting events where equipment makes a difference.

Further, although I can see the point of practising with ordinary sporting rifles at ranges to 400yds (the more conservative might say 300yds), I wonder what would be gained by their use beyond that?

I know that this is intended as a the use of sporting rifles in what is clearly a target, rather than a sporting, practice; but a case could be made for a discipline involving sporting rifles at shorter ranges (up to 300yds, perhaps?) with the challenge being derived from the variety of positions, shooting without sticks/bipods.

It might be that most clubs would be perfectly happy for folk to shoot in F/TR and TR shoots with sporting rifles if that's what they wanted, but the difficulty would be the deviation from 2+20 or 2+15 course of fire at the 'range of the day' - which presumably is partly to avoid overheating lightweight barrels.
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Good points. As I shoot further out at targets, it puts pressure on me, my kit and my load to perform. In terms of rounds fired, I generally stop when I've fired 9 or 10 shots and the shots start to wander. At present I find it very hard to find opportunities to compete without investing in a FTR rifle or a F Open rifle and I don't particularly want to do that. So I'll give this S-class a try.

Thanks

JCS
 
Dalua said:
I think anything that increases opportunity for sporting-rifle shooters to shoot can only be a good thing.
AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY

However, if this takes off as a competitive event then there will surely be an 'arms race' within the limits set, just as there has been in all other competitive sporting events where equipment makes a difference.
SO WHAT - A FANCY CUSTOM BUILT JOBBIE OR BLARRRZER IS BEYOND THE MEANS OF MANY OF US. MANY JOIN & SHOOT KNOWING THEY WON'T WIN - THEY JUST WANT TO IMPROVE & BEAT THEMSELVES.
Further, although I can see the point of practising with ordinary sporting rifles at ranges to 400yds (the more conservative might say 300yds), I wonder what would be gained by their use beyond that
S CLASS IS ONLY EMBRIONIC & MAY CHANGE - IT AIN'T BROKE YET SO DON'T TRY MEND IT YET

I know that this is intended as a the use of sporting rifles in what is clearly a target, rather than a sporting, practice; but a case could be made for a discipline involving sporting rifles at shorter ranges (up to 300yds, perhaps?) with the challenge being derived from the variety of positions, shooting without sticks/bipods.
MAKE UP A DISCIPLINE & ORGANIZE THE COMPS THEN - SEE YOUR OPENING LINE ABOVE

It might be that most clubs would be perfectly happy for folk to shoot in F/TR and TR shoots with sporting rifles if that's what they wanted, but the difficulty would be the deviation from 2+20 or 2+15 course of fire at the 'range of the day' - which presumably is partly to avoid overheating lightweight barrels.
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NO-ONE IS TALKING 2+20 or 2+15 EXCEPT YOU - IF YOU ORGANIZE THE DAY YOU CAN SPECIFY THE COURSE OF FIRE.

THE GUYS HAVE STARTED SOMETHING THAT CAN ENHANCE & ENCOURAGE SHOOTING - DON't KNOCK IT.

Ian
 
Oaken said:
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S-class concept has been thought up by Dave of the Shooting Shed in an attempt to get away from the arms race that modern target shooting has become.
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This is why I commented on the 'arms race'. You're right, of course, that the arms race effect is in the hands of those taking part, and that sporting shooters are probably less-apt than proper target-folk to get caught up in that sort of thing.


Yorric said:
NO-ONE IS TALKING 2+20 or 2+15 EXCEPT YOU
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Me and all the F, F/TR and TR organisers. The point I was making was that folk at most clubs would probably be welcome to use sporting rifles in those shoots, but that the round-count might be rather high for the barrel-weight. Likewise, shooting short courses of fire at different ranges can be rather a PITA to organise - depends how busy your ranges are, I suppose.

Yorric said:
THE GUYS HAVE STARTED SOMETHING THAT CAN ENHANCE & ENCOURAGE SHOOTING - DON't KNOCK IT.
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I know: and I'm not, you great red-shouting radish!:-P

The great risk of organising something is that everyone else knows how to do it better. Or at least, that's how it feels:): in fact, they just offering helpful suggestions to improve it, and the thing evolves.

My own view is that if you were to go out to shoot targets (or indeed, though I don't want either to do or to debate this, quarry) at over 400yds, you would most likely take a heavy-barreled rifle with a scope of at least 12x.

F-class, with their machine-rests, back-bags and monstrous shooting-irons may please themselves. F/TR would be much improved by the banning of back-bags. For me, TR is just right. Different folks, different strokes.
It is perhaps not inappropriate to remind ourselves that the original arms-race avoidance was the insistence on SMLE or No4 rifles either as they came in SRa (no sling), or with heavier barrels and micrometer rearsights in SRb (sling permitted). The point of using these out to 1200yds was (ostensibly) that they might in fact be used at such ranges in wars.

This is in contrast to the ranges at which sporting-weight rifles are in practice expected to be used.

I say again, encouraging shooting is good, and folk can of course do what they want.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be shooting my stalking rifles at ranges way beyond those I'd ever use them at in the field. However, my P-H T4 weighs spot-on 6Kg with 'scope and bipod - so that would be an option.
:)
 
Yorric said:
NO-ONE IS TALKING 2+20 or 2+15 EXCEPT YOU - IF YOU ORGANIZE THE DAY YOU CAN SPECIFY THE COURSE OF FIRE.

THE GUYS HAVE STARTED SOMETHING THAT CAN ENHANCE & ENCOURAGE SHOOTING - DON't KNOCK IT.

Ian
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Well said Ian.

Rup, who is organising this, has also organised other shoots, most notable being the 'Mendip Quarry Challenge' which was well received, and constantly evolving up until the end, through no fault of Rup or anything to do with his/our shooting on the site.

He's now doing all the cat herding to get the S Class up and running at bisley to make it accessible to those who either haven't heard of it, or were too far away to do it.

He does this to try and get more people doing something they maybe wouldn't/ couldn't do otherwise, and to encourage others to think outside the box.

So, as pointed out by Ian, if people don't like the ideas of S Class, then go ahead and make up your own class, course of fire etc. I'm sure you'll find it very rewarding once you have recovered from the stress of herding cats, just to have to start again for the next one.

I, for one, think Rup deserves much credit for this, as it's done as a labour of love, without making a personal gain, and it's likely that he won't even get to shoot it as he'll be run off his feet come the day (just as with the previous MQC's)

Rup, I'm with you all the way on this, and will help 100% as always.
Illegitimi non carborundum

Pete
 
A red shouting raddish --- I like that. If I didn't already have a good handle I might adopt it.

----anyways I only used red 'cos it was the first colour I hit on to highlight my answers - I wasn't seeing red or trying to be too contentious or mr angry. -- Where's the "coat" smilie gone when I need it?

Ian
 
It’s a great idea that may get more people shooting more often. If you want to come you are more than welcome. If you have any constructive criticism, it will be taken on-board and changes made if it will improve or make the day more enjoyable but also maintaining the ethos of the event.

If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and have no intention of participating and just want to pick holes in everything, keep your opinions to yourself.

As it stands, S-class may evolve based on what people want, but for the time being what is being offered is a simple event that is not too far removed from F-class with which most people are familiar and is not too constrained by rules to make it open to anyone. The whole ethos being bring whatever you’ve got and shoot. Even if you haven’t got a rifle compatible with the rules, you are still welcome to shoot.

As above, organising an event like this requires a massive amount of effort with very little reward and often at not inconsiderable financial cost to the organiser. Well done Rup for pursuing this. :thumb:

Ditto Pete’s comments, if you need any help.

Rich
 
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