The people's republic of Scotland

[LuckyEddie]

if Wee Eck and his separatists win the referendum, I and all those like me will subsequently get a letter from his new administration advising us that we're now Scottish citizens whether we like it or not. That's democracy it seems!

That's only if he stays in power!
Once independence is decided there will be another vote to decide who will be the governing party.
The first vote is only for independence and Eck's party is the interim government until the next vote.
The next government is the one who needs to decide exactly how the independent Scotland is governed, raises taxes, what fighting forces are required, etc, etc.


My questions are:- given that Westminster keeps saying the Scots get more in subsidies and benefits than we give in taxes why are they so keen to keep us together?
What have we Scots got that they are so keen to keep a hold of?


I'm also not enthused by the thought of Boris Johnson being a future Prime Minister which looks very possible.


Ed

 

[LuckyEddie]

Salmond and Sturgeon are also killing the salmon and covering the country in ugly turbines.

All the more reason to vote for independence and then vote the SNP (or whatever they will be called after independence) out!
That's my aim otherwise Eck and his cronies will always be in charge and wreck all shooters' sport.

Ed

 

[private fraser]

The peoples republic?.
Yes but what if the people are the ones in this..

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Be careful what you wish/vote for.

 

[bogtrotter]

That's only if he stays in power!
Once independence is decided there will be another vote to decide who will be the governing party.
The first vote is only for independence and Eck's party is the interim government until the next vote.
The next government is the one who needs to decide exactly how the independent Scotland is governed, raises taxes, what fighting forces are required, etc, etc.


My questions are:- given that Westminster keeps saying the Scots get more in subsidies and benefits than we give in taxes why are they so keen to keep us together?
What have we Scots got that they are so keen to keep a hold of?


I'm also not enthused by the thought of Boris Johnson being a future Prime Minister which looks very possible.


Ed

Correct Sir

 

[Laurie]

That's only if he stays in power!
Once independence is decided there will be another vote to decide who will be the governing party.
The first vote is only for independence and Eck's party is the interim government until the next vote.
The next government is the one who needs to decide exactly how the independent Scotland is governed, raises taxes, what fighting forces are required, etc, etc. [LuckyEddie]

Ed,
yes, I agree that the letter might not come from an SNP government, but according to the white paper on an independent Scotland, it will allegedly come from somebody. That is if you were born in Scotland, an independant Scotland will try to claim you as a citizen post separation.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Ahem! I think the SNP have got a grip and got it democratically too or don't you like democracy? It's Cameron that lost his grip, if he ever had any. As for SNH, quite frankly, the referendum is irrelevant to them and Kenny Mac, in the context of Stalking at any rate. They have demonstrated a desire to have shooting sports stopped and private firearms ownership curtailed, regardless.

Scotlands politicians regardless of their 'faith' are like our football team and football team managers that have always been just a great big flop. Who can name 5 influencial current Scottish politicians without hopping on google....?? Most have no idea past Mr Fishy. Baring that in mind the idea then that people are voting on something the simply don't understand based on the utter pesh of one political figure is mental....

 

[LuckyEddie]

Aye unfortunately there's numpties everywhere.
If the referendum wasn't what they were arguing bout there would be something else!

The problem with the Scottish MPs is that they are fighting for their jobs and since most of them have been less than honest with their expenses I wouldn't trust them regarding anything else.

Also the MPs are the drain on society between subsidising their drinks to the tune of £6m last year and their pensions for life after one election - paying for one lot is enough for me.
Take Pamela Nash in Airdrie who was nudged into the post by John Reid.
She was a shop assistant and has never done any hard graft and if she looses her job she'll probably end up doing charity work down south as she seems to be supporting the charities big time but doing nothing practical for her constituents.
As for their followers - google Yvonne Hama and check to see what she's been up to and why her twitter account has been stopped.
Both sides have their idiots!!

Ed

 

[private fraser]

I know two people whose cars had "no" stickers on and got vandalized, not seen a "no" stickers on a vehicle for quite a while.
Still see plenty of "yes" stickers on vehicles.
That's not the Scotland I know and love.
The sooner this is over the better.

 

[Dan Gliballs]

Taa...daaa

 

[LuckyEddie]

Dan:

From Sky News back in January -

"Gordon Brown, who recently described himself as an "ex-politician", has claimed £1,012.75 for the rent of his constituency office.


The former prime minister’s large claim for his office - one of the biggest - in his Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath constituency is one of 35,000 expenses claims totalling £4.58m made by MPs in August and September.


The claims have now been published by expenses watchdog, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA)."

Bearing in mind that this was just for August & September last year.
Article titled "Carry on Claiming" so Dan, as far as I'm concerned, their all lying or at best being pushing boundaries to the limit - which to my mind is not good enough for a politician who is meant to show us an example.
Also Mr Brown has I believe a charity - but can this charity be fully audited and clarification sought as to where the money goes - the short answer is no. The MPs are above the law!!

Ed

 

[Yorkie]

I know two people whose cars had "no" stickers on and got vandalized, not seen a "no" stickers on a vehicle for quite a while.
Still see plenty of "yes" stickers on vehicles.
That's not the Scotland I know and love.
The sooner this is over the better.

Hi PF.
I agree.
I was disgusted by the 'Bully Boy' and 'Rent a Mob' Tactics used by some of the Yes Campaign Supporters to shout down the opposing side. It was suggested that this was coordinated by the 'Yes' Campaign Central Office using Social Media. One Man has had to stop his Street Campaigning because of the Vile Abuse he received.
All very Sinister.

Yorkie.

 

[LuckyEddie]

Hi PF.
I agree.
I was disgusted by the 'Bully Boy' and 'Rent a Mob' Tactics used by some of the Yes Campaign Supporters to shout down the opposing side. It was suggested that this was coordinated by the 'Yes' Campaign Central Office using Social Media. One Man has had to stop his Street Campaigning because of the Vile Abuse he received.
All very Sinister.

Yorkie.

Check what the No team followers are up to!

Another tweet featured a message from BNP leader Nick Griffin which included a well-known controversial slogan associated with sectarianism, 'No Surrender'.


Another message retweeted by Hama made a reference to 'Tims', a derogatory term for Catholics, adding that they would "look better hanging from a tree".


The Better Together activist also referred to SNP supporters as "Nazis".


Within hours of her background having been exposed, the Better Together campaign hastily withdrew an online blog it had published in which Hama listed her reasons for voting No. However the image had already been grabbed and was reported online.


The episode is particularly embarrassing for Better Together leader Alistair Darling who, only days ago, was pictured smiling alongside Hama. Also in the picture was local Labour MP Tom Clark.

So don't try and act as though it's all one sided

 

[Yorkie]

The Tweeting all sounds very Infantile. But that is what they are, Tweets.
I have not seen any reports of Yes campaigners having to Abandon the Streets yet though. I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong.
Not too difficult to tell which side you are on then .
I do not have particularly strong feelings either way, I was just shocked at the behaviour I saw and what I heard on Newsnight tonight.

Yorkie.

 

[Trufflehunting]

Regardles of the result, i can see the loosing side demanding another vote, months or years down the line
Claiming it was close and should be voted on again !!!!

 

[skywull]

yorky i think theres more happening in the world today should shock you a bit more than some **** being pelted by an egg or mere worrds being tweeted ie rotherham, now that is shocking i think if you use the word shocking it should be used in its proper context, ether that your easily shocked

 

[6pointer]

I think there will be more mud slinging and name calling as things get close but I prefer that than what happens in other country's .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker

 

[Shabz]

I can't believe that anyone could be so naive to think that an independent Scotland will have any political party in government but SNP. It will be SNP for decades. They'll write the fecking constitution FFS. What alternative will there be? Labour? No thanks. Equally, without the scots grounding the English government, England will have a conservative government for decades too.

I haven't read much 'no' campaign literature as I don't think they have a case to answer. In the event of a no vote everything will stay pretty much the same. I want answers from the yes campaign. Answers that aren't forthcoming. All you get is emotional nonsense and vituperative slants on the Tories. That shouldn't win the vote of any sensible, straight thinking person.

 

[private fraser]

Here's another one... ask the average person if they want more or less immigration and the answer is generally less.
Ask the SNP government what their immigration policy is, and this is in writing mind, it is More.
They keep that one quiet 'cos they know it's not popular.

 

[LuckyEddie]

Here's another one... ask the average person if they want more or less immigration and the answer is generally less.
Ask the SNP government what their immigration policy is, and this is in writing mind, it is More.
They keep that one quiet 'cos they know it's not popular.

Unfortunately we have an ageing population and people leave for whatever reason.
So in effect we do need people to come in and stay and work in this country.
We always will do irrespective of what people want.
Oh and by the way people have always left this country for whatever reason.
In the 16th & 17th centuries the word used for Scots in Eastern Europe was the same as for tinker.

 

[private fraser]

As I say, they keep that one quiet 'cos they know it's not popular.
Yes, people have always left, that isn't the issue....yet.