Knives

[Scarlet]

Wooden handles no. Corroded steel and old leather sheaths that have the potential for harbouring bacteria yes.

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[Mannlicher_Stu]

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[Slamdunk]

Stu your jelousey reflects in your reply and no wonder with your ill health your quite envious,lol.
Wooden handles no. Corroded steel and old leather sheaths that have the potential for harbouring bacteria yes.[/QUOTE


As an outsider I have to say its obvious that the jealousy is all on your side of the fence Vim, and your continued antagonism towards Stu taints your judgement.

 

[Muir]

Could someone explain the hygiene angle to an ignorant American? I've been carrying the same knife for 30 years in a leather sheath. What have I been missing? Are UK deer disease laden?~Muir

 

[finnbear270]

Muir, It's just another demonstration of the farcical way the powers that be over in Europe, get their knickers in a right old twist over not much really, Nanny state at its best, Arse covering if you like, Any sensible user of a knife of whatever design, understands that cleanliness is of very high importance, & acts accordingly, so your cutting implements are still fine as you say, after all this time............Just not over here. Steve.

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

Muir
Finnbear sums it up quite well really, the powers that be over here are just covering their arse, as with any knife it could be totally bacteria free, straight from a sterilization unit and as soon as you have touched the surface skin of a deer its already picked up enough bacteria to wipe out Africa also internal bacteria is contained within the abdominal cavity.
Those of you who are aware not all bacteria is harmfull to man but some are, My view is as long as your equipment is clean and sterile before taking on a gralloch then it matters what knife you use, because when you have finished, it needs to be re sterilized no matter what , to reduce any risk.

Personally I clean my knife at the gralloch scene and wipe down with sterile wipes then when i get back to base the knife is sterilised in boiling water dried off re sharpened and wiped off again with steri wipes, ready for further use.

Likewise with surfaces that food for human consumption is prepared on, They cant stipulate what material has to be used only that whatever you use remain bacteria free as far as possible. yet again that only applies to food prep areas and not out in the field.

As a matter of interest their is no legislation in respect to using knives of any description whilst carrying out a gralloch in the field.
And their is no regulations in respect to what type of knife can be used in food preperation their are good practice recomendation for use in the larder, but as long as the operative can show that he keeps his equpment free from bacteria then he could in fact use sharpened tin lid as long as it was bacteria free and safe for the operative to use safely
They cant stipulate what material can be used in food prep areas either only in their view a material that they consider to hold least bacteria , again if good cleanliness is being practiced you can use anything you like. but they will obviously be monitoring to see such standards are continually met

 

[mickjgardner]

on the dsc courses they always harp on about having a sheath and knife that can be put in the dishwasher.I have not got a dishwasher and not going to buy one to clean knives.does not matter what sheath you have i just clean the knife with a sterile wipe before putting it back in.perfectly clean and sterile then

 

[Slamdunk]

Muir
Finnbear sums it up quite well really, the powers that be over here are just covering their arse, as with any knife it could be totally bacteria free, straight from a sterilization unit and as soon as you have touched the surface skin of a deer its already picked up enough bacteria to wipe out Africa also internal bacteria is contained within the abdominal cavity.
Those of you who are aware not all bacteria is harmfull to man but some are, My view is as long as your equipment is clean and sterile before taking on a gralloch then it matters what knife you use, because when you have finished, it needs to be re sterilized no matter what , to reduce any risk.

Personally I clean my knife at the gralloch scene and wipe down with sterile wipes then when i get back to base the knife is sterilised in boiling water dried off re sharpened and wiped off again with steri wipes, ready for further use.

Likewise with surfaces that food for human consumption is prepared on, They cant stipulate what material has to be used only that whatever you use remain bacteria free as far as possible. yet again that only applies to food prep areas and not out in the field.

As a matter of interest their is no legislation in respect to using knives of any description whilst carrying out a gralloch in the field.
And their is no regulations in respect to what type of knife can be used in food preperation their are good practice recomendation for use in the larder, but as long as the operative can show that he keeps his equpment free from bacteria then he could in fact use sharpened tin lid as long as it was bacteria free and safe for the operative to use safely
They cant stipulate what material can be used in food prep areas either only in their view a material that they consider to hold least bacteria , again if good cleanliness is being practiced you can use anything you like. but they will obviously be monitoring to see such standards are continually met

Stu

An informed and well considered explanation of the current state of play vis a vis the FSA guide lines. Something those solely intent on causing trouble would do well to remember. Perhaps then they might find themselves are as well informed and aware. They might not get banned so frequently if they did and were.

 

[Slamdunk]

on the dsc courses they always harp on about having a sheath and knife that can be put in the dishwasher.I have not got a dishwasher and not going to buy one to clean knives.does not matter what sheath you have i just clean the knife with a sterile wipe before putting it back in.perfectly clean and sterile then

I seem to remember some while ago reading a thread on another site regarding sterile wipes. Apparently there are sterile wipes and there are truly sterile wipes. IIRC they don't all sterilise against all of the germs and strains bacteria. Neither does washing in a dish washer, as it all depends on how sterile the dish wash itself is.

 

[Scarlet]

Would these be considered a true sterile wipes Christian?? Only some folk like to quote from the rule book but very rarely comply with the recomendations.
Quite simply because there just too tight to do so..
Move with the times and use up to date tools and techniques and you wont be far off the money thats my opinion..

 

[Scarlet]

http://www.sellesmedical.co.uk/store/product/499-Readi-Wipe-Downs-Hard-Surface-Wipes-Drum-of-200-



http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/prodinfo.asp?number=VIRKON5&variation=

 

[Slamdunk]

Would these be considered a true sterile wipes Christian?? Only some folk like to quote from the rule book but very rarely comply with the recomendations.
Quite simply because there just too tight to do so..
Move with the times and use up to date tools and techniques and you wont be far off the money thats my opinion..

Without reading the spec label I couldn't say whether they were truly sterile wipes. That was the whole gist of the thread to which I referred. Not sure whether they were Christian ones either. Amen!

Is VirkonS approved for usage by the FSA? I don't think it is. Its only passed by DEFRA for use as a livestock disinfectant IIRC It might be all right for swilling the dog kennel but its not something I'd want to be putting near anything I was going to eat.

If you really want to be on top of the game you'd be using Trigen Advanced.

You know what they say about opinions, they are like arseholes, every ones got one, and they are like buses if you wait around long enough another one is sure to come along.

 

[Muir]

Thanks for the explanation.Well... I wipe the blade on my Levis and sheath it (!!!) until I can wash it properly. Still here! No one has died from eating my venison!

I can understand the concerns but can't imagine being told to clean my knife. Maybe it's because you folks are allowed to sell the meat?? We are generally not allowed to sell game meat for public consumption.~Muir

 

[csl]

Maybe it's because you folks are allowed to sell the meat??

That's exactly the reason. Because the meat is potentially going into the public food chain we have to try to meet similar hygiene standards, traceability etc. as the rest of food industry (as far as is practically possible anyway, given the conditions we are operating in!).

Alex

 

[sikamalc]

I did hear about a Level 2 candidate a few years back who failed his stalk because after the initial gralloch he stuck the knife in the ground. He failed as he contaiminated the blade and failed to clean the blade when he used it again on the beast.

I think many of us have a favourite knife we use. I have about 6, some rubber handle, some wood. One of my favourites is a knife given to me by my friend from Finland. Which is a Birch handle, and hand made. Common sense needs to be applied in the use of any knife when used on any carcase. But as Muir rightly points out, no one has died from vension he has prepared. I can second that as well.

 

[Slamdunk]

I know of one DSC2 candidate and long time stalker that failed because having done a short gralloch and slashing the stomach open he then went back and opened the chest cavity with the same uncleaned knife.

 

[Scarlet]

Is VirkonS approved for usage by the FSA? I don't think it is. Its only passed by DEFRA for use as a livestock disinfectant IIRC It might be all right for swilling the dog kennel but its not something I'd want to be putting near anything I was going to eat.

If you really want to be on top of the game you'd be using Trigen Advanced.

You know what they say about opinions, they are like arseholes, every ones got one, and they are like buses if you wait around long enough another one is sure to come along.

Virkon S did cover all my needs being a recreational Stalker. As i dont prepare meat for human consumption i simply dont need to treat work surfaces so like you say Christian its ideal for swilling the dog kennals out, truck beds and other work tools.
I`m also in agreement with your view on arse holes because they normaly do appear in pairs,lol.
The sterile wipes in the picture are ideal for wiping various tools down when needed whilst out in the field but once you get home the use of disinfectant is of paramount importance.
Soak and then rinse off. The guide lines will be on the containers.
Most of the goverment bodies are now using FAM 30 instead of VirkonS and i`ll be doing the same once my current stock has run out.
It covers a much broader spectrum of disease, Fungi and general contamination better but i suppose you and Stu already know this??

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

Nice to see your learning VIM
I have to hold my hand up you have come on leaps and bounds(What am I saying) says he with a smirk

 

[finnbear270]

, Now that's funny, a pi***ng contest over disinfectant!. I just spilled a little of my beer!.

 

[Scarlet]

It`s plain enough to see that it`s no contest finn
Just about clean sharp versatile equipment being used correctly and efficiently