243 fazination???
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bewsher500
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What if it is a deer in a box.....Schrodinger's deer.......
palmer_mike
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Understood! Lol
Woodsmoke
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Woodsmoke
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Schrodinger's Deer.....
Are you proposing an experiment where a deer and a hunter with a .243 rifle are placed in a sealed woodland? If so, when the hunter's wave function resolved, would we discover that he is a bit light in the loafers.
Just asking in the interest of science, you understand
Are you proposing an experiment where a deer and a hunter with a .243 rifle are placed in a sealed woodland? If so, when the hunter's wave function resolved, would we discover that he is a bit light in the loafers.
Just asking in the interest of science, you understand
MARCBO
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A bigger gun makes a deer more dead.............
As most of us are non-professionals, a bigger gun allows a little more margine of error in bullet placement. Driving bigger, slower bullets also decreases meat damage, increased penetration and reduces the possibility for a Surface blow-up that fails to anchor the animal.
bewsher500
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Schrodinger's Deer.....
Are you proposing an experiment where a deer and a hunter with a .243 rifle are placed in a sealed woodland? If so, when the hunter's wave function resolved, would we discover that he is a bit light in the loafers.
Just asking in the interest of science, you understand
If there is a deer in a box and the box is sealed.
if you shoot through the box with a .243 and don't open the box.....is the deer dead or alive....or both?!
MARCBO
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Ah, the old power of logical persuasion technique. I would admit to anything until I got out and could retaliate...
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I wholeheartedly agree mate. Hence my choice in rifle. I don't like .243 personally but I'm inexperienced with it and it takes many deer down here so it must work. All the reasons kids and women like it are the same reason grown men like it I.e. Accurate and negligible recoil which increases accuracy, very easy to get good with.
I guess I'd say it's a good round but I wouldn't choose it since I seem to shoot everything to the same degree of accuracy (average) regardless of recoil!
Your just old fashioned lol
The way I see it the .243 bullet has been engineered perfectly for its job of hitting a direct spot without too much variation in height and very quickly, if you are unable to hit the killing area of a deer at the distances a lot of them are shot at with a scope and bipod/ sticks etc, then you shouldn't be taking the shot and if you can do that then a .243 does the job perfectly and also allows it to then become a bit of a utility rifle at the same time.
I personally don't see the point in setting up 2 good rifles at £2000 per setup each when I only need one.
I'm half tempted to hold off on a .223 and exchange the slot for a .243 just because the market is full of them at great prices for a well setup one and it can do the job on fox and deer, the only time I would look into say a .308 would be if the say a place had grain restrictions on a shoot I wanted to book.
I agree though that without a scope etc a larger round should be used to ensure a humane kill as it makes up for the lack of marksmen ship
How dare you! Some of it was very carefully crafted nonsense.
I am old fashioned in a way. I like hunting to be a challenge, find fieldcraft to be the most enjoyable part and am happy coming away with nothing. So I choose old fashioned kit as it increases that challenge due to open sights, poor trajectory at longer range and, in my case, one shot.
Having said that I don't agree with all of your points. I do agree that the .243 does its job nicely and although maybe not ideal for everything it is a very good compromise. I also agree, as I am sure everyone on this forum does, that you should be able to guarantee a hit in the vitals at whatever range you are shooting at.
Quick clarification. The .243 bullet isnt in question here, the .243 Winchester cartridge is. All sorts of .243 bullets exist for all sorts of reasons but none of them do anything without a cartridge behind it.
Quick objection. A large round doesn't make up for bad marksmanship. More power can SOMETIMES allow for slightly off placement. The bullet has to hit a vital area. Doesn't matter if its a .243 or my .458, if it doesn't hit in the vitals it won't be a humane kill.
All other things equal, all the extra power means is that if you are slightly off and hit the heart but not directly is that is could do more damage than a less powerful round. It also means that bones cause less of an obstruction.
But there are so many variables (weight, velocity, S.D, construction, quarry etc) that this is nowhere near true 100% of the time.
I don't feel that any increase in bore size (over the .243 minimum) is a substitute for good shooting. The optics you use or don't use are irrelevant, it's all about hitting the vitals. If Mr.A can do it at 200 max with a scope and Mr.B can do it at 100 yards max with open sights then that is their respective range limitations. It doesn't mean that Mr.B should get a bigger rifle and push those limits.
Grain restrictions?!?!?!? I better stock up on bread
MARCBO
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There is a reason the "market is full of them"
Never said a larger bullet makes up for a lack of marksmanship. It does however provide a margin of error when the bullet is not exactly where it needs to be. Face it, most animal are not running around in the forest with a constantly adjusting diagram deoicting the correct aiming point for their vitals. Despite education and experience no hunter can say with absolute certainty he knows where the correct aiming point is as a shot it presented. Shooting a 6mm bullet with a less than pea-sized diameter is just asking for trouble. I might use one (a 6mm Remington of some such) for foxes, coyotes and such but never be caught with a 243W, people might think I intended to shoot a game animal with it. I have too much respect for wildlife to do that...
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bewsher500
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if the UK law said minimum requirement for deer is 6.5mm then the country would be flooded with 6.5x55's
.243 is the entry calibre for deer and doubles up as a decent fox round.
thats it
.243 is the entry calibre for deer and doubles up as a decent fox round.
thats it
Plenty big red stags still being taken by locals, game dealers and land owners with head and neck shots,,,with .222 and 22-250. I bump into these types all the time and they have nothing but annoyance towards anything bigger as 'it's not needed' and 'just ruins the meat'. LOL
