Not so humane dispatch
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Rake Aboot
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I`m amazed that people would rather have the deer waiting until a "trained expert" showed up, rather than the folk at the site first just putting the animal down.
Crowbar is the perfect tool for the job if done correctly, which it appears these guys did, as they were found to have acted correctly.
Sometimes I just think people want to get involved at all costs rather than anyone else have anything to do with deer.
Crowbar is the perfect tool for the job if done correctly, which it appears these guys did, as they were found to have acted correctly.
Sometimes I just think people want to get involved at all costs rather than anyone else have anything to do with deer.
Irish Bob
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It would seem they had 48 hours to engage the help of someone with the proper tools and expertise to do the job.
The point of my post is that the police should be working in partnership with the deer stalking community on issues such as this. Does this force have a call out list of individuals who are able to carry out humane dispatch? If so they need to establish why in this instance it was not used. If they do not, then they need to set one up.
Rather than arguing for the sake of arguing, which seems to be the default position of a number of posters on this site, we should be thinking about how the police and deer stalking community can engage better. You only have to look on this site's legal thread to see that much improvement is needed.
I'd have thought that the police should be liaising with veterinarians rather than the stalking community. Surely a vet administering a lethal injection is far safer than firing a bullet into the deer?
palmer_mike
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Might depend on how mobile the deer is?
Indeed.
Might need a tracking dog rather than a deer stalker.
My previous post relates to injured deer relatively immobile and location identified, obviously
Might need a tracking dog rather than a deer stalker.
My previous post relates to injured deer relatively immobile and location identified, obviously
8x57
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To be quite honest guys after reading all that has been written on particular incident I am getting a little fed up of all the theorising.
Who was actually there and witnessed the incident?
What was the actual details of the allegation on the disciplinary charge sheet?
Does anyone know what the force policy is with regard to dealing with injured deer, if indeed the force has one in the first place?
Did the guys concerned deliberately set out to cause unnecessary suffering to the animal, I very much doubt it.
From the information that I have read so far it seems that they have been treated rather shabbily, and what is the point of taking them off firearms. Far from being negligent with a firearm they have probably erred on the side of caution on this occasion and suffered as a consequence.
Who was actually there and witnessed the incident?
What was the actual details of the allegation on the disciplinary charge sheet?
Does anyone know what the force policy is with regard to dealing with injured deer, if indeed the force has one in the first place?
Did the guys concerned deliberately set out to cause unnecessary suffering to the animal, I very much doubt it.
From the information that I have read so far it seems that they have been treated rather shabbily, and what is the point of taking them off firearms. Far from being negligent with a firearm they have probably erred on the side of caution on this occasion and suffered as a consequence.
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nun_hunter
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As I said before I think most forces do have something in place utilising stalkers or similar but they're not always available. The ones that don't have it yet need to be approached and convinced that it is a good idea by those able and willing to carry it out.
8x57
Distinguished Member
Mainly because of liability and the unknown competence of the so called pool of experience that you mention.
I realise I'm very brave saying this, but deer stalkers are a very variable bunch. They are not generally used to killing things at short ranges. Many are less used to dealing with stressful onlookers etc. Insurance and liability also comes into things. How does it reflect on the police if they call out a recreational deer stalker who right royally messes up? It reflects badly on the stalkers, but more so reflects badly on the police.
This is why I have no problem doing these calls as a vet. Insured. Used to this sort of work. Professionally responsible to a governing body - if I mess up I can even be struck off. Indemnity and pubic liability insurance. More tools at my disposal. The police also pay me.
If I lived in an area of high deer density then I might be less keen getting one call per night.
I agree that it needs the right person for the job, I tend to think the right person is not who you think they are........
I think comments on the two officers "not troubling Mensa" are in poor taste.
Think for a moment about the security situation in Europe and what happened in France and Belgium recently.
We are two firearms officers down now, their training has gone with them and two more have to be found, trained and step in.
After what happened to their colleagues who would be keen to step in ???.
It could have been handled better by the senior officers is my opinion.
Think for a moment about the security situation in Europe and what happened in France and Belgium recently.
We are two firearms officers down now, their training has gone with them and two more have to be found, trained and step in.
After what happened to their colleagues who would be keen to step in ???.
It could have been handled better by the senior officers is my opinion.
nun_hunter
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this is something to think about before volunteering. It's not uncommon here for the police to call out someone off the deer warden scheme only to have them call back a short while later requesting police support as they have been threatened by members of public who are waiting for the RSPCA to rescue the deer and they're now in a fairly aggressive situation holding a firearm.
I went on a humane despatch course and it seemed that just about everything was deemed either illegal or inadvisable.
One thing was crystal clear...get police support if at all possible and get an incident number.
I'm not sure what I got out of it except an insight into the right royal mess that you can get into with the help of others as per the above post.
One thing was crystal clear...get police support if at all possible and get an incident number.
I'm not sure what I got out of it except an insight into the right royal mess that you can get into with the help of others as per the above post.
it's a shame they couldn't have just used the firearms they had on them, after all the training surely putting a deer down that they had been able to carry should not have been too difficult, maybe the force needs to change the way things could be done, is it that the local stalker has to take all the risk
It's a smaller animal than a deer I know, but the other day I had to deal with a fox that had been hit by a car and all I had in the car was a wheel brace, I killed it with a single hard hit to the head. How can this bee seen as inhumain? If it was all they had then good on them for using a crowbar, they probably prevented a lot of suffering
They carried the injured deer away from the scene in the hope that it would recover. A stalker would have known the potential for internal injuries. The deer was still alive days later when they decided to use a crowbar. In humane from start to finish.
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