.270 purchase

[Tulloch]

Hey all need some advice ,

got let down on a couple of rifles now on a buying them but now I have been told that one of my kind of local gun dealers has something good in stock second hand just wondering what price you reckon should I expect to pay for it ?? just in case he is asking too much.

.270 Parker Hale with Redfield scope and T8 moderator

 

[Brithunter]

Hey all need some advice ,

got let down on a couple of rifles now on a buying them but now I have been told that one of my kind of local gun dealers has something good in stock second hand just wondering what price you reckon should I expect to pay for it ?? just in case he is asking too much.

.270 Parker Hale with Redfield scope and T8 moderator
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Condition will be the thing. The rifle is a P-H 1100 Deluxe by the way. Sorry but I don't know prices as have been out of circulation for some time now price wise.

Check the throat of the bore for wear and roughness and of course the crown. Your single photo shows that it would appear to be in good order externally.

 

[Tulloch]

Condition will be the thing. The rifle is a P-H 1100 Deluxe by the way. Sorry but I don't know prices as have been out of circulation for some time now price wise.

Check the throat of the bore for wear and roughness and of course the crown. Your single photo shows that it would appear to be in good order externally.

Thats the photo I got from the Dealer and he is a very well known and thorough dealer and I have been told he is one to be trusted , Thank you for the advice don't know much about older rifles...

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Rifle maybe £300-400. Moderator worth about £100 used. Scope worth maybe £100-150 depending upon model. As a package I'd expect a dealer to charge about £550-600 for this. However, the .270 is quite a fast round and this rifle is quite old. The barrel life is only likely to be 2000-3000 rounds. I'd be very wary about buying this as it could be 'shot out', or won't last much longer. For similar money you could get something like a new Howa which will last considerably longer. Unless you can be sure of shot count, I would avoid this rifle.
MS

 

[Tulloch]

Rifle maybe £300-400. Moderator worth about £100 used. Scope worth maybe £100-150 depending upon model. As a package I'd expect a dealer to charge about £550-600 for this. However, the .270 is quite a fast round and this rifle is quite old. The barrel life is only likely to be 2000-3000 rounds. I'd be very wary about buying this as it could be 'shot out', or won't last much longer. For similar money you could get something like a new Howa which will last considerably longer. Unless you can be sure of shot count, I would avoid this rifle.
MS

£495 quid full package, it's had a safety check done on it by the gun dealer. Does that matter ?

 

[enfieldspares]

The rifle maybe £ 100 to £ 150 at auction. Less because it has been threaded at the muzzle. And that stocking style went out of favour with tank tops and flared loons. And is as likely to come back into favour as tank tops and flared loons.

Probably on a good day it might just break the £ 100 mark. Not much more. The Redfield 'scope is probably again topping out at £ 100. Depends if a fixed power or a variable. The mounts are bog standard P-Hale and, to be frank, mots folk now don't much favour them. Not "fashionable".

I have no idea at all of the worth of the moderator.

Monkey Spanker gives good advice. A more modern P-Hale then yes I'd consider it. But this? I wouldn't.

 

[Essexsussex]

Can you try it on a range? At 250 I'd take a chance. For 500 you could do with checking the grouping etc. If its a shooter then you've got all you need and any gun shooting well with mod and reasonable scope for 500? That's ok.

 

[8x57]

As a package I would put the price at £450 - £500 at most. I would certainly want to inspect it closely and test it.

It could be a good buy at that price depending on condition or it could be a pile of junk, my reasons for saying that-
1. An old rifle (possibly 35 years old) based on a sound action but that is very much out of favour.
2. A Redfield scope which are renown for being of dubious quality fitted in Parker Hale alloy rings once again not the best.
3. A moderator that has a reputation for rusting out, something that needs to be checked carefully as does the bore for possible corrosion near the muzzle.


As for the style of stock - I must be one of the few people in the country who actually like the style.

 

[Tulloch]

what about .270 CZ550 S/H T8 moderator Nikko sights ????

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We have a Remington 700 in .270 it has a synthetic stock it comes with a Richter Optik 6-24X50 AOE scope and Warne rings and bases . The moderator is a T8.

 

[8x57]

Very similar package so it will be dependant on the condition of the rifle.
The same moderator so the same applies reference condition and rust. Some of the older Nikko Stirling scopes were good value for money but personally I rate the modern ones the same as a Redfield (i.e. poor at best). The rifle is once again a good sound well made design but not that popular as the flashier guns that seem to have found favour with the masses. Those that have owned them very rarely fault them. My guess is that you will be looking around the same price.

P.S. Are you sure it is a Nikko scope? I can't quite make out the markings but it looks like another make to me.


Personally I am not fond of Remingtons so I would leave that one alone but that's only me others rate them highly, but usually only after spending a bit of money on them to put things right that should have been sorted in the factory in the first place.

 

[1995rs]

If you are set on buying a .270 I have a cracking Browning Eurobolt that I advertised yesterday in the classifieds. It comes with a Thirdeye Tactical Spartan moderator, browning mounts and 1"rings, it also is the Boss model so it will come with the muzzle break too. All you would need is a scope. All the best in your search.

 

[Tulloch]

If you are set on buying a .270 I have a cracking Browning Eurobolt that I advertised yesterday in the classifieds. It comes with a Thirdeye Tactical Spartan moderator, browning mounts and 1"rings, it also is the Boss model so it will come with the muzzle break too. All you would need is a scope. All the best in your search.

Am looking for the full package with scope mate , I know it sounds prude but i got a new baby due in two weeks making me up to number 4 kiddies in my house , I also have just bought a 7 seater vehicle as well as now having to fix my L200 work vehicle so what was originally a £1000 budget for a decent package is now been cut short to around £600 .

 

[Brithunter]

Oh dear as per usual I see the same old tosh about barrels being shot out in X amount of rounds. What utter bollox. No one can say how many rounds a barrel will last and in fact often more damage is down through improper cleaning that actual shooting. X amount of rounds shot in quick succession will cause much more wear that the same number of rounds shot over a period of time.

Despite what some believe stalking rifles such as this often have had little use shooting wise and have probably spent more time being carried that shot. Add the fact that many "stalkers" never practice believing that they are "Natural born dead eye dicks" so don't need to practice and many such rifles have been shot very little indeed.

The wear in the throat will tell you about the usage. As for 270's wearing out fast ................................. Hmmmmmmmmm I have yet so see one an the one that I bought that was claimed to be shot out was in fact filled with 60+ years of jacket fouling. It took a weekend of cleaning and de-coppering to get it clean I can only assume they only wiped the powder fouling out and did not clean properly. Once the bore was clean the rifling had doubled in depth. This was on a BSA Majestic which is probably 20-25 years older than that Parker-Hale your looking at.

As for the fore stock style it's actually very comfortable and it's broad bottom makes it good off a rest if one is so inclined. I would not however recommend fitting a bi-pod not only would it ruin the balance but the fore stock is quite shallow and the usual factory wood screw types will rip out or come loose quite quickly as it was never designed for Bi-Pod use. If one MUST have a Bi-Pod then the fore stud must be replaced with the machine screw types that screws into a metal ferrule that is inletted into the stocks barrel channel.

Personally I would try to get the price down some. Whilst I prefer the earlier more rounded the P-H rings the P-H rings work well and do return to zero if fitted correctly. The squared off later rings were no doubt the result of accountants sticking their oar in . If the rings are the RAHS.3's (1" Highs)then there is demand for them although not quite as much as the RAHS'4's (26mm Highs).

The scope well you will like it or not. It's quite a personal thing in my view.

 

[bogtrotter]

I am not a .270 fan but that is a personal thing and if its what you want go for it, to suggest that a .270 barrel will be shot out in 2000 to 3000 rounds is a bit ridiculous it will depend on several factors not just the number of rounds.

For many years .270 was the calibre supplied to FAC rangers usually BSA monarchs and majestic many of these rifles changed hands frequently as rangers came and went some of them looking after them better than others
a lot of these rifles firing many many thousands of rounds with no ill effect, in fact a lot of the rifles in use were older than a big proportion of the members on here

As others have said the style maybe a little old fashioned,does that bother you? in fact it may be a plus point when it comes to buying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in fact I find the style quite appealing but then of course I am an old fart.

Agree with what was said about stud for bi pod and have it replaced with the machined screw type.

Again some don't like the sloppy bolt on P/H but it is A 100% reliable.

Personally think you could do an awful lot worse.

Finally read Brithunter's post as he is somewhat of an authority on British rifles of this era.

 

[Michael54]

Good advice from Brithunter and others on here, ignore the fashion statements made by many. If you like the rifle and it looks like its been looked after go for it.
I bought a CZ in 270 it is old but looked like it had been cared for, no rust or damage. I added mounts, secondhand scope, moderator plus screw cuuting and still have change out of your £600 budget. When the gunsmith did the screw cutting he advised me the bore was excellent.
Only down side is its got a set trigger and I cannot find the optional single stage trigger anywhere in UK.

 

[Tulloch]

I am not a .270 fan but that is a personal thing and if its what you want go for it, to suggest that a .270 barrel will be shot out in 2000 to 3000 rounds is a bit ridiculous it will depend on several factors not just the number of rounds.

For many years .270 was the calibre supplied to FAC rangers usually BSA monarchs and majestic many of these rifles changed hands frequently as rangers came and went some of them looking after them better than others
a lot of these rifles firing many many thousands of rounds with no ill effect, in fact a lot of the rifles in use were older than a big proportion of the members on here

As others have said the style maybe a little old fashioned,does that bother you? in fact it may be a plus point when it comes to buying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in fact I find the style quite appealing but then of course I am an old fart.

Agree with what was said about stud for bi pod and have it replaced with the machined screw type.

Again some don't like the sloppy bolt on P/H but it is A 100% reliable.

Personally think you could do an awful lot worse.

Finally read Brithunter's post as he is somewhat of an authority on British rifles of this era.

Thank you so very much for all your comments I have a lot to think about ,

I ideally had planned to buy a fairly new Tikka but when it got safety checks done on it before purchase I was told it had crown issues , then a friend of mine swapped his .270 for a .243 at the dealer then told me about it, I contacted the dealer and they said they would keep it aside for me but a few days later I went to get it one of the assistants had sold it. As time is now a bit of an issue with new baby and car to fit family my budget has now become effected and I dont really want to wait any longer.

The reason for the .270 is because I know what calibres I am confortable with so when renewing or should I say reapplying for my FAC again the three calibres I asked for was .22 , .243 and .270 as well as shotgun. When I spent time training to be a keeper those were the calibres I got used to.

 

[mereside]

I would say go and look at it most PH rifles got put into the cubbard and have not seen the light of day since, I own one and its superb shooting and i am about to start bluing it back to original condition. I personally like them and it will stay with me along with my older bsa stutzen ,if you do buy it i have that exact stock if you need a spare, you can have it for nothing, just finding stocks is hard and its a shame to waste it,good luck wayne

 

[JC275]

I'm going to be brutally honest here, all three packages that you describe are bottom end in all aspects, sorry if that offends the PH and Rem 700 fan clubs, but thats the way it is.

Not saying that they wouldn't do the job but I wouldn't want any of them.

My advice would be to bung your £5-600 in a tin, try and put £20 a week into the fund whilst keeping your eyes open on here or on Mcleods website for a better package. I think your calibre choice is good and that should help.

Don't forget factory .270 ammo is £25-£35 a box and you can soon eat up a few quids worth chasing a problem caused by pants alloy PH mounts?

 

[Cut+Squirt]

The .270 is currently out of favour by many in the shooting press, why im not entirely sure
as it's well tried and tested. . . What I would say though is due to it's current lack of fashion there are many nice cheap rifles languishing on dealers shelves.

I think in your position I would just buy one item at a time ... you should be able to get a howa cheap if you bide your time. . .

A decent x6 mag fixed power scope won't blow the budget
either. . . Plenty shoot without a moderator so no rush for that either.

 

[Brithunter]

I'm going to be brutally honest here, all three packages that you describe are bottom end in all aspects, sorry if that offends the PH and Rem 700 fan clubs, but thats the way it is.

Not saying that they wouldn't do the job but I wouldn't want any of them.



Don't forget factory .270 ammo is £25-£35 a box and you can soon eat up a few quids worth chasing a problem caused by pants alloy PH mounts?

Yes much better to pay more for the new Sportsmatch lumps or alloy after they are new/modern so simply must be better mustn't they!

Nope unless it's of new /modern production it just ain't no god after all you have read it here on the inter-web so it MUST be true ...................................... Sheesh!