John Gryphon
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Geezuz have you actually listened to that ad cobber?
300 Win 180 grain bullet recommendations - thanks.
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No, @johngryphon. It's my kids, they repeated their impression of a Russian meerkat saying "simples" so many times it's stuck... it was a school fad I think. I don't even know what it was advertising. We haven't had regular telly in our home for five years, no satellite tv, no cable, no regular terrestrial TV. Just streaming what we want to watch, when we want to watch it, ad free. Reality TV free zone. The amount of advertising we get in our home will probably be 0.01% of a normal family.
Anyway back to the matter at hand, I hear what you are saying @Edinburgh Rifles, But I'm going to be slightly less cynical and stick with my view that the polymer tip, being the first point of impact of the bullet, positively influences expansion.
As for V-Max / Z-Max I fully agree, I have a picture of a hare I shot last night at 266m with the 50gr in .223... I shan't post it as it is macabre in the extreme, and completely off topic of course. Suffice to say that one would assume that the unfortunate animal was executed by guillotine, such is the surgical precision with which the bullet removed its entire head. They really are remarkable bullets and a perfect demonstration of why we pick a certain types of bullet construction for certain jobs, like beheading hares.
Anyway back to the matter at hand, I hear what you are saying @Edinburgh Rifles, But I'm going to be slightly less cynical and stick with my view that the polymer tip, being the first point of impact of the bullet, positively influences expansion.
As for V-Max / Z-Max I fully agree, I have a picture of a hare I shot last night at 266m with the 50gr in .223... I shan't post it as it is macabre in the extreme, and completely off topic of course. Suffice to say that one would assume that the unfortunate animal was executed by guillotine, such is the surgical precision with which the bullet removed its entire head. They really are remarkable bullets and a perfect demonstration of why we pick a certain types of bullet construction for certain jobs, like beheading hares.
John Gryphon
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I have some doubt about these polymers not melting at light bullet magnum speeds.
enfieldspares
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We Brits used tipped bullets for near fifty years. .303 Mk VII.
Outwardly a FMJ but with an aluminium (or later sterilised fibre) tip under that jacket.
Any "tip" lighter than the rest of the bullet improves the projectile's trajectory.
Just as a void at and enclosed front end will as in an open point match bullet.
But ALL in certain circumstances will also cause the bullet to inflict more severe wounding.
This is often less predictable than the bullet makers' "blurbs" would have you believe.
FWIW I'll again repeat that justified or not many stalkers will discourage their rifle from using such bullets.
And yes .303 Mk VII did..as a desired benefit of its tip...tumble on impact.
Outwardly a FMJ but with an aluminium (or later sterilised fibre) tip under that jacket.
Any "tip" lighter than the rest of the bullet improves the projectile's trajectory.
Just as a void at and enclosed front end will as in an open point match bullet.
But ALL in certain circumstances will also cause the bullet to inflict more severe wounding.
This is often less predictable than the bullet makers' "blurbs" would have you believe.
FWIW I'll again repeat that justified or not many stalkers will discourage their rifle from using such bullets.
And yes .303 Mk VII did..as a desired benefit of its tip...tumble on impact.
The issue you had was that the bullet expanded well but held together so a large heavy mushroom left the far side of the carcass at considerable velocity.
Its not just how much a bullet expands but also where in the carcass and whether the mushroom holds or peels back shedding material. It's for this reason (I think) that an SST can shred a roe but leave a fallow looking fine. By the time it exits there's barely anything left.
I have absolutely no experience of 300wm and have not skinned the 3 moose I shot with those bullets out of my 06.
I suspect I'd try a 150gr GMX or TTSX at warp speed in the hope that the petals would be lost and a solid calibre sized shank exits. There is the risk that would increase entry blood shot.
Its not just how much a bullet expands but also where in the carcass and whether the mushroom holds or peels back shedding material. It's for this reason (I think) that an SST can shred a roe but leave a fallow looking fine. By the time it exits there's barely anything left.
I have absolutely no experience of 300wm and have not skinned the 3 moose I shot with those bullets out of my 06.
I suspect I'd try a 150gr GMX or TTSX at warp speed in the hope that the petals would be lost and a solid calibre sized shank exits. There is the risk that would increase entry blood shot.
@1894, that's not the problem mate. High weight retention at the right speed will cause less meat damage that a bullet that fragments. Its speed that's the problem, as high speed and a large frontal area transfers too much energy in the form of shock. Excessive force has been used for the gameweight, hence wrecking the carcass.
An example from the other end of the .30 cal spectrum. If I shoot a red hind with a .30-30 at 100yd with a hard round nose 170gr bullet, the bullet will mushroom and leave a good sized exit, but with only slight peripheral bruising or bloodshot meat. That's because it is hitting the animal at about 1800fps, and the hydraulic shock from the bullet strike is very low.
The .300 Win Mag however, that's hitting the same sized animal at 2800fps. The hydraulic shock - the pressure wave through the animal's body - breaks the tissue and hence the flow of blood through the meat. Watch the slow-mo shots of this happening. Here's a really good example with a .30 cal magnum... slow even the slo-mo down to 0.25x and watch the incredible shock wave through the body.
A well hit meat animal shot with a heavy, super fast bullet at close range will often end up being cut in half and the entire forequarters chucked out. I did exactly that recently with a small red hind hit with the 28 Nosler at ~250m, the bullet exited just behind the shoulder yet the entire offside shoulder was wrecked, right up through the front of the backstrap, just a pulpy gooey bloodshot mess. The nearside shoulder around the POI looked like it was hit by a truck.
An example from the other end of the .30 cal spectrum. If I shoot a red hind with a .30-30 at 100yd with a hard round nose 170gr bullet, the bullet will mushroom and leave a good sized exit, but with only slight peripheral bruising or bloodshot meat. That's because it is hitting the animal at about 1800fps, and the hydraulic shock from the bullet strike is very low.
The .300 Win Mag however, that's hitting the same sized animal at 2800fps. The hydraulic shock - the pressure wave through the animal's body - breaks the tissue and hence the flow of blood through the meat. Watch the slow-mo shots of this happening. Here's a really good example with a .30 cal magnum... slow even the slo-mo down to 0.25x and watch the incredible shock wave through the body.
A well hit meat animal shot with a heavy, super fast bullet at close range will often end up being cut in half and the entire forequarters chucked out. I did exactly that recently with a small red hind hit with the 28 Nosler at ~250m, the bullet exited just behind the shoulder yet the entire offside shoulder was wrecked, right up through the front of the backstrap, just a pulpy gooey bloodshot mess. The nearside shoulder around the POI looked like it was hit by a truck.
A 300WM is simply too much gun for red hinds...anything in the UK really. A 180 grain bullet at 2900fps is going to do a lot of damage. Don't blame a perfectly good bonded bullet, change to a 6.5mm or 7mm 140 grain at 2700 fps and you're game dealer is going to be a lot happier.
If you have to use a 300WM then a monolithic bullet is going to help but it still will not be pretty.
If you have to use a 300WM then a monolithic bullet is going to help but it still will not be pretty.
John Gryphon
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Mate was here for a few days,he used his .300WM with 180 grain Winch PP`s,two shots two deer.
Btw Dodgy I took that bloke in your video out for his very first few sambar.
Btw Dodgy I took that bloke in your video out for his very first few sambar.
John Gryphon
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Yes,thats right,just because a bullet is modern doesnt mean it works better.
phillips321
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I tried Sierra 180grain gameking in my R93 being pushed by 75grains of RS70... it grouped like a shotgun. I'm having more luck with 178ELD-X, however I have a large jump to lands if I load to SAMMI COAL.
we have must use lead free ammo now no more lead in bullets
John Gryphon
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Ah,wasnt aware of that.
PeteSurrey
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I would suggest that if you want less sploddy bullet stick to the Accubond but go up to 200gr the bullet will be slower and will expand less. Maybe also reduce your load a little
paulbshooting
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Thanks for all the comments.
Ended up with 200 grain Lapua megas, N165 reduced load found and velocity down to 2600fps. Shoots nicely and only used on fallow so far at 150 to 200 yards. Seems to have improved the meat issue on chest shots. On the hinds up north next month so will see
Ended up with 200 grain Lapua megas, N165 reduced load found and velocity down to 2600fps. Shoots nicely and only used on fallow so far at 150 to 200 yards. Seems to have improved the meat issue on chest shots. On the hinds up north next month so will see
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