.300 Win Mag

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enfieldspares said:
It has a short neck and thus many bullets of heavier weights that work OK in the 30-06 have seating issues in the 300 Win Mag because you may have problems with finding a parallel part of the bullet.
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I think in practice this is one of those things like :
"if you apply the laws of physics bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly"

I am currently working loads for 208gr Amax which are over 1.5" long!
I struggled to get a group that was larger than an inch when using a variety of charges of N160 from 66gr up to 70gr in 0.5gr intervals
most were significantly below 1" the best being about 0.6" centre to centre

I have only just loaded up the best charge weight with different OAL to see what that will present.

Case volume and the reducing effect of seating long bullets well into the charge volume is a bigger concern.
but that comes down to powder choice
It certainly doesnt seem to affect accuracy
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Even with 70gr of N160 I still have a lot of room and pressure seems fine with the 208's seated to magazine length
Lots of people using 208 Amax and 210gr Bergers to good effect without any issues
granted some are seated long in AI mags
but most seem to be seated to mag length with H1000 or similar
 
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i use a 7mm rem mag and to be totaly honest it shoots better than the 300win mag id drops deer on the spot use mine for vermin control as well its a remington 26in police moddel same recoil as my 243 no kidding yet uses3timesthe powder but i love it as long as you reload for it its a peach if you dont expect to pay 65pounds for 20rounds ouch i can manufacture about 130rounds for 100pounds just think bc 7mm is far better than the 300win mag at distance
 
I have no experience hunting with this caliber, but my brother in law use one for paper punching, a Remington, and it is the most accurate rifle i have use in at the range.
 
Cumbrian 1 said:
I have a .300wm which I never use, it is in my mind an inefficient round. Bullet placement is everything and any 7mm with 168-180grn VLD bullets will outperform any .30 cal in the accuracy department, even the modern 6 & 6.5mm rounds are winning more 1,000yd competitions than .30 cal chamberings these days. Below is a link to an article by Bryan Litz:
http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/30cal_fullVersion.pdf
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not too many deer shot at 1000yds and at stalking ranges no calibre is more accurate than another unless you are shooting bench rest ammo through custom rifles off concrete benches
7mm cap out around the 180gr mark, you want heavier than that and you need to get fatter
Energy is the key IMO
and lets be honest there isn't a deer in the country that won't die quickly from a well placed 243, 308, 6.5x55, 260 or similar......no-one in the UK NEEDS a 7mm Rem Mag or a .300 Win Mag......but I know which round looks more impressive when you whop it on the table! :D


wraith said:
i use a 7mm rem mag and to be totaly honest it shoots better than the 300win mag.
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yours or in general? all very subjective really


wraith said:
​just think bc 7mm is far better than the 300win mag at distance
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actually.....in a purely paper based exercise...there is very little if anything in it at 1000 yds

7mm Rem Mag
shooting 180gr Berger VLD
BC 0.684
MV 2800fps (unless you are running very hot loads and/or 30" barrels, upping it to 2900 only brings the drop down to 212")

stats at 100yds

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1000 -227.31 21.70 6.31 25.64 2.45 0.71 1.22 1885 2172

300Wm shooting similar bullet weight
185gr Berger VLD
BC 0.584 G7 profile
MV 3000 (actually would expect these to break 3100 in the WM)

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1000 -201.98 19.29 5.61 27.62 2.64 0.77 1.16 2068 2243



and for a similar MV starting point using a .30cal 208gr AMax
BC 0.648 G7 Profile
MV 2900 (similarly I expect to run these closer to 2900fps)

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Cumbrian 1 said:
I have a .300wm which I never use, it is in my mind an inefficient round. Bullet placement is everything and any 7mm with 168-180grn VLD bullets will outperform any .30 cal in the accuracy department, even the modern 6 & 6.5mm rounds are winning more 1,000yd competitions than .30 cal chamberings these days. Below is a link to an article by Bryan Litz:
http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/30cal_fullVersion.pdf
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A big part of that is recoil fatigue and not accuracy - as Litz says to get the same BC as a 6.5mm ~140gr you need to be shooting a 220gr .308 bullet
 
johngryphon said:
​That third one is a ring in.
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Haha... the first, third & fifth are successive photos IE: taken on the same hunt and of the same hind (and fawn) - hence I did not shoot.

Further, technically, photo 1 can be construed as a 'ring in' (so eloquently raised) by virtue of the fact the person behind me took it. Unfortunately, I do not have the photography skills to snap a shot of me holding and aiming a rifle at a potential meat animal in the distance as well- especially from the particular aspect evidenced IE; behind me....

That issue aside, the fact remains that after shooting pigs, buff, scrub bulls and deer (dare I say sambar?) among other deer species, the 300WM is not my favourite calibre. I have tried other calibre's also such as the 9.3 Mauser and again I believed was 'over kill'. For me, I have hunted or culled pest species such as sambar (dare I say that again), rusa deer, and more pig's, buff & scrub bull's than I care to remember with a 308W than any other calibre. Horses for courses...just my 2 cents...
 
Why do we resurrect that favourite phrase of the uneducated f.e.o.? "Overkill" You tread on summat with a size nine & squash it, if you got someone with a size eleven to do the same exercise, it would still just be squashed!:shock:,................. Don't feed them!;)

& one shooter could be having an unscheduled visit to remove an unused firearm.:doh:
 
We worry about the term overkill (which just means excessive); but I am sure that describing FEOs as 'uneducated' doesn't help our cause in the long run either! Perhaps ill-informed or uninformed?
 
JabaliHunter said:
We worry about the term overkill (which just means excessive); but I am sure that describing FEOs as 'uneducated' doesn't help our cause in the long run either! Perhaps ill-informed or uninformed?
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Why pussyfoot around it?,I understand the need for polite conversation, but these people are supposed to be of a standard of knowledge to enable them to discharge their duties? some are very very up to speed & apply it, then disappear to other jobs/duties.:doh:
 
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Firearms Licensing and government are about the only couple of places that I can think of where the people employed to do the job are not required to know anything about that which enables them to do the job properly. This is why it's a great big cock up.
 
Lee1972 said:
Haha... the first, third & fifth are successive photos IE: taken on the same hunt and of the same hind (and fawn) - hence I did not shoot.

Further, technically, photo 1 can be construed as a 'ring in' (so eloquently raised) by virtue of the fact the person behind me took it. Unfortunately, I do not have the photography skills to snap a shot of me holding and aiming a rifle at a potential meat animal in the distance as well- especially from the particular aspect evidenced IE; behind me....

That issue aside, the fact remains that after shooting pigs, buff, scrub bulls and deer (dare I say sambar?) among other deer species, the 300WM is not my favourite calibre. I have tried other calibre's also such as the 9.3 Mauser and again I believed was 'over kill'. For me, I have hunted or culled pest species such as sambar (dare I say that again), rusa deer, and more pig's, buff & scrub bull's than I care to remember with a 308W than any other calibre. Horses for courses...just my 2 cents...
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Well I`ll be I could have sworn that the third photo is of a Rusa hind and calf
 
Brithunter said:
Firearms Licensing and government are about the only couple of places that I can think of where the people employed to do the job are not required to know anything about that which enables them to do the job properly. This is why it's a great big cock up.
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i want that statment on a t shirt how true bud
 
Lee1972 said:
Haha... the first, third & fifth are successive photos IE: taken on the same hunt and of the same hind (and fawn) - hence I did not shoot.

Further, technically, photo 1 can be construed as a 'ring in' (so eloquently raised) by virtue of the fact the person behind me took it. Unfortunately, I do not have the photography skills to snap a shot of me holding and aiming a rifle at a potential meat animal in the distance as well- especially from the particular aspect evidenced IE; behind me....

That issue aside, the fact remains that after shooting pigs, buff, scrub bulls and deer (dare I say sambar?) among other deer species, the 300WM is not my favourite calibre. I have tried other calibre's also such as the 9.3 Mauser and again I believed was 'over kill'. For me, I have hunted or culled pest species such as sambar (dare I say that again), rusa deer, and more pig's, buff & scrub bull's than I care to remember with a 308W than any other calibre. Horses for courses...just my 2 cents...
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I've shot about twenty sambar ( & about 100 other deer from chital to large Euro reds) on my own place just this year, as its getting dry again (added for background, as its become a ****ing contest). For the Sambar the smallest cal & projectile I trust is a 30 06 with a good 180 grn projectile. When I'm hunting them for real down in Vic I like something larger. My favourite is the 375 WBY with 250 grn X's ,but I am also guilty of rolling a couple with a 458 lott & 500 grn soft noses, yes, its awesome. I've shot sambar with many cals & chambers from 270 up & the more punch the better,so long as you can shoot it correctly. I had a couple of scrubbers (Braford crosses) on one of my places which knocked a neighbour off his horse & killed him, & then knocked his son off his bike & he needed a lift out on a fan. There was no way I was going after those bulls with a 308. LOL. A 375 wby & 300 grn PP's killed every last one of them, I also found a good tree to stand behind when I could, just in case.

The 300 Win Mag is a great round, does what it promises & not hard to shoot. I wouldn't have a problem letting an average 12 yo get behind the but of a correctly set up 300 win to shoot a few rounds, so long as their form was correct & they were stopped if or when it became unpleasant.

​Sharkey
 
sharkey said:
Yes, its a rusa. 100%

Sharkey
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Hence my original " That third one is a ring in. " post.

​num 1 and 5 is a sambar hind calf

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I have now made a deposit on an old Finnbear .264 Mag action, wearing a rotted out Bofors original tube, this will be the donor for a Lothar Walther .300 WinMag tube rebuild, Flyboy used the word "Retro" whilst I was leaning on the workshop counter musing on MTU profiles in parkerised finish, stainless tubes with vapour blasted finish, so it is going to be retroe'd back to sporter in deep deep blue, with original sights re fitted, with maybe just a hint of a brake.:tiphat:
 
Theres a 300 WSM Howa at Malmo for sale that I've doctored - beautiful woodwork...



Realise I'm late in posting this..and it shoots ….adequately ;)
 
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