deeangeo
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Absolutely Hales. He (NF) may know a lot about gunsmithing and how ammunition performs, but I cannot imagine how he comes to his conclusion in respect of European scope optics. ATB
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Absolutely Hales. He (NF) may know a lot about gunsmithing and how ammunition performs, but I cannot imagine how he comes to his conclusion in respect of European scope optics. ATB
Rutland lad
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Zeiss every time for me !
It's well made and has excellent back up service.
It's well made and has excellent back up service.
John Gryphon
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Hales Smut, The low light performance and its needs you mention above re Aus is needed far more than you may think. In Victoria day break and last light in the evening are when an enormous percentage of sambar deer are taken and mainly over the winter months too.The scopes I mentioned personally do an excellent job,they dont have to be the top end Zeiss scopes either of course. I fully endorse the Zeiss Conquests for example as a great low light scope and quite a few mates have bought them after doing side by side comparos in the field under low light conditions...they are bloody good!
Hey Bob you didnt say that when I bought the Lepold scope off you,
it so happens I find it to perform excellently. I also have a pair of Conquest 8x42 HD and find the scope works with the binos well. Personally I would rather have the glass to find the deer in the first place, you than get closer to the deer. Thats stalking.Hales Smut
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Johngryphon, don't get me wrong. I probably compared Australia to SA and maybe both countries are not really comparable. I was in SA a good few years ago and noticed that in 15 min it went from daylight to completely dark. In those countries an American scope might be O.K. In Europe dawn and dusk can be long and indeed these are the best moments of the day, just like it is for sambar down under. I agree with you that even a "less good" Zeiss can be very performing in those conditions. My experience is that they are just better in low light than non-european brands. After using Edi's ( PSE stocks) 6.5-20x50 Conquest I plan to get one myself to use on a 223 for fox and range.
I’m assuming that’s a reference to the very discernible difference in resolution rather than the gap in build quality?
In part defence of Leopold at least they offer a variable scope for a 22 rimfire that is truly fit for purpose when to my knowledge of the top 3 brands only S&B offer one at c£3K that will correctly parallax track below 50 yards when set above 7 power.
This is however something I would dearly love either Swarovski or Zeiss to address and feel sure their development of such would result in more product being shifted c/o the allied airgun market than those low powered models marketed for boar shooting.
K
In part defence of Leopold at least they offer a variable scope for a 22 rimfire that is truly fit for purpose when to my knowledge of the top 3 brands only S&B offer one at c£3K that will correctly parallax track below 50 yards when set above 7 power.
This is however something I would dearly love either Swarovski or Zeiss to address and feel sure their development of such would result in more product being shifted c/o the allied airgun market than those low powered models marketed for boar shooting.
K
Heym SR20
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Zeiss, but go with the 8x42 bins as opposed to 10x42 - a lot easier to hold steady for an extended period which is what you do when stalking. Scope - look at the 2-8x42 - might be a bit more versatile if you doing any driven shooting. 6 or 8 power is plenty for the top end, unless you are long range vermin shooting. If you really are on a budget my advice would be zeiss bins, and a good 2nd hand Schmidt and bender, Zeiss or Swarovski 6x42 scope.
Also have a look at Meopta, but they are now low end Zeiss money, so less value than they used to be.
most importantly get some really good quality scope mounts. Whilst not particularly elegant, the Talley style on pica tinny type base are very tough.
Also have a look at Meopta, but they are now low end Zeiss money, so less value than they used to be.
most importantly get some really good quality scope mounts. Whilst not particularly elegant, the Talley style on pica tinny type base are very tough.
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I. Farticus
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Minox have fantastic optics for the money, so why not pair your scope with Minox HG8x43 binos? Again MiG with SCHOTT lenses
Yes, I have considered that aswell. Then it should be their high end Minox AOP HG 8 or 10/43. But they are expensive. They cost more than the conquestHD and more than a SH Leica trinovid.
I could of course save some money and keep my old Vortex Diamondback 10x50 for a couple of seasons
I could of course save some money and keep my old Vortex Diamondback 10x50 for a couple of seasons
caorach
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What about the normal Minox HG binos? They are very reasonably priced and provide all the performance you'll ever need for deer stalking. For a while you could get them in from the USA for around £400 and while they will cost more than that now there are a few people on this site who are Minox dealers and I'd bet they would do you a very good price.
I. Farticus
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+1... No need to go for the APO, just go for HG x43. I had the 8x and only sold those to trade up to Swaro RFs. Stonking optics!!
If no-one else wants the deal, try my local RFD - Emmett & Stone in Marlow on 01628 474187 and speak to either Ryan or Tony
Cheers
iain
I think you can really over think optics personally , if you can't see it you shouldn't shoot at it . I've got a s and b , and a leupold and I've used swaro and zeiss on live targets . I'm 20 years old , my vision is good , and I've seen literally hundreds of foxes killed with a leupold , and I've shot a lot of deer with my s and b . The deer didnt mind , nor did I .
That said , if your professional or just a gear nut ( I am ! Just not with optics) then that's fine , there's nothing wrong with having nice things . But if you are just a recreational shooter , like me just beware of what you can talk yourself into . You could have a new swaro z6i , or you could have a bushnell or a leupold , perhaps a red field , and the £2k that you save will pay for a wonderful trip .
That said , if your professional or just a gear nut ( I am ! Just not with optics) then that's fine , there's nothing wrong with having nice things . But if you are just a recreational shooter , like me just beware of what you can talk yourself into . You could have a new swaro z6i , or you could have a bushnell or a leupold , perhaps a red field , and the £2k that you save will pay for a wonderful trip .
Yes you are right. I would never pay the price of a z6i or Zeiss HT or whatever those high end optics names are. My Minox 2-10x50 can be used to all the hunting I should do from my preffered roe deer hunting to driven hunts and night hunting.
The binos should be good quality too because I need to see if that buck over there is good to shoot and stuff like that. A MinoxHG or Leica trinovid would do the job there.
The binos should be good quality too because I need to see if that buck over there is good to shoot and stuff like that. A MinoxHG or Leica trinovid would do the job there.
big fan of minox here , I really rate thier binoculars .
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