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Thank you I was asking this as so many shooters are losing there perm's as old farmer's die and farms being sold off.
And so many struggling to get a perm to get into shooting of all types except ranges .
Yes as we have all read the stories of taking someone onto your perm and they backstab you.
Yes we need to encourage a lot more folk's into rough shooting and clays.
 
As I recall, BASC dropped the legal expenses part of its insurance using the excuse that this had only been used by very few of its members, and therefore members were paying for something that mostly wasn't being used. However, after dropping the legal expenses part of the insurance (something that a lot of people solely took out Basc membership for) did they then reduce the membership premium proportionately to account for this? No they certainly did not! Members are now paying the same premium and in effect are receiving less.

Arguably the legal expenses part of the insurance was the most valuable incentive to join basc in the first place.

The police are obviously fully aware that the average person cannot afford to fund a proper defence against them. Basc has in my opinion made a huge error of judgement,, just like they did when they rolled over and supported the lead shot ban without even so much as a fight.
 
The thing I find odd about these stories and what is mentioned is the “don’t let them in” type comments….even if you let a police officer in, surely to confiscate anything they need the cabinet keys? If an officer came into the house and said “we’re taking your guns”….the next question logically would be “for what reason” if the officer then says “we can’t divulge that” or “we can’t discuss it”…I would be saying “let me contact my solicitor as I cannot open the cabinet at this time”….

most police officers are reasonable in my experience - if you say “if there are no details of why my guns are being taken and so I am not willing to give the cabinet keys up”…what happens then??

Surely the FAC or SGC would need to be revoked at the same time as without revoking the cert you still have the legal approval to hold the guns?

It’s all a bit vague, veiled and unclear.

If the a FOI where you could see how many FAC or SGC are revoked each year?
 
paultap said:
As I recall, BASC dropped the legal expenses part of its insurance using the excuse that this had only been used by very few of its members, and therefore members were paying for something that mostly wasn't being used.
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is that not true of all insurance we buy it but hope we never need to use it, so poor excuse to do away with it.
 
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If the a FOI where you could see how many FAC or SGC are revoked each year?
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no need for a FOI the home office publish the data, broken down to each police force. when I looked last to monitor the situation after kent introduced mandatory medical reports, the number of revoked certificates were very low and very much the same over several years before and even after they introduced the medical reports. Unfortunately the data does not show the reason a certificate was revoked or grant refused.

Google should find the report, their you go you can drill down in the data table report.

www.gov.uk

Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates, England and Wales: April 2019 to March 2020

Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates issued by police forces in England and Wales under the Firearms Acts 1968 to 1997.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
Pedro said:
But the real undemocratic issue is that if you have your guns and certificates taken, there is no real way to have that independently reviewed without incurring big solicitors' fees, leaving the poor subject no way to challenge anything. That just isn't natural justice.
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It is tantamount to "lawfare".

D&C appear to be acting without the process of full and evidenced review that FAC revocation requires under the law.

"Voluntary" firearm surrendering is being requested in the full knowledge that, for most, there is no cost-effective natural justice challenge mechanism for the average shooter.

Everyone wants to avoid another "Plymouth" event. And I have some sympathy with the D&C hierachy who must be under pressure, but law-abiding shooters' rights must also feature in any actions taken.
 
Liveonce said:
no need for a FOI the home office publish the data, broken down to each police force. when I looked last to monitor the situation after kent introduced mandatory medical reports, the number of revoked certificates were very low and very much the same over several years before and even after they introduced the medical reports. Unfortunately the data does not show the reason a certificate was revoked or grant refused.

Google should find the report, their you go you can drill down in the data table report.

www.gov.uk

Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates, England and Wales: April 2019 to March 2020

Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates issued by police forces in England and Wales under the Firearms Acts 1968 to 1997.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Just 200 legal firearms owners in London. That is an eye opening statistic. I would be interested to see the number of people suspected to be in possession of illegal firearms.
 
Liveonce said:
no need for a FOI the home office publish the data, broken down to each police force. when I looked last to monitor the situation after kent introduced mandatory medical reports, the number of revoked certificates were very low and very much the same over several years before and even after they introduced the medical reports. Unfortunately the data does not show the reason a certificate was revoked or grant refused.

Google should find the report, their you go you can drill down in the data table report.

www.gov.uk

Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates, England and Wales: April 2019 to March 2020

Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates issued by police forces in England and Wales under the Firearms Acts 1968 to 1997.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Thanks @Liveonce 👍🏻
 
BASC? BASC??
Oh, yeah, them's the folk near Wales who sell car stickers aren't they? I think they branched out into enamel badges too,,..,but don't hold me to that
 
200 in Met area what year was that as I think this should be 2000 as at my club we have at least fifty fac holders.
But we all know illegal held guns in Met area would be thousand ?
 
Seems Scotland is even safer, around 0.1% revoked vs holders.

And when you look at the type of gun used - it shows that most of the crime is not by legally held guns I think!

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