A@S Coterminous renewal off to a poor start.

[Whitefront]

Interesting; on what basis do they say they reject them if before eight weeks? If you don't get them in at least eight weeks before, you are no longer eligble for an automatic statutory extension, if necessary.

Last year, Northumbria sent me my papers six months before. My coterminous renewal was on time. (I know these timescale are getting a bit silly, but that's the world we live in when dealing with the public sector).

 

[Trickyd66]

From the A&S website. Renewals should be submitted at least 8 weeks before expiry of current certificate, but no earlier than 3 months before expiry. (Dito medical proforma) so you have about a 6 week window for applying.

Mine isn't due for a year or so, but will be putting in the renewal at 3 months, and prior to that checking with my gp whether they still provide proformas and lead time....

Sure if your application is before the 8 week cutoff, you'll be fine.

 

[kenbro]

If it’s expiry end sept you e got loads of time.

GP practice should just lift you of a few quid and that’s that, they’ll then send your report to the police directly stating whether or not it there’s anything on file that could impact on your suitability to posses firearms

Easy peasy

In GMP area, collect form from surgery and send off with renewal app.
Ken.

 

[thistledeyke]

If it’s expiry end sept you e got loads of time.

GP practice should just lift you of a few quid and that’s that, they’ll then send your report to the police directly stating whether or not it there’s anything on file that could impact on your suitability to posses firearms

Easy peasy

If you do he renewal online the medical doc have to be up loaded onto the application the doctor should give you the completed form to either send with a paper application or to up load (all 4 sheets). I do not think you can proceed without up loading the medical proforma.

 

[Greenmist]

they reject the applications if they go in too early, they want them 8 weeks before

Are you sure about that, the 8 week before is regarded as minimum so you don't have to put your guns into storage, it used to be 14 weeks before expiry was the maximum, but with the inclusion on medical performa, 6 months seems to be the norm

 

[BE Precision]

Are you sure about that, the 8 week before is regarded as minimum so you don't have to put your guns into storage, it used to be 14 weeks before expiry was the maximum, but with the inclusion on medical performa, 6 months seems to be the norm

see post #22

 

[HonestJohn]

In GMP area, collect form from surgery and send off with renewal app.
Ken.

That’s interesting - here they refuse to let you see their reply !

 

[VSS]

In GMP area, collect form from surgery and send off with renewal app.
Ken.

Same here.

 

[wytonpjs]

is the renewal interview face to face or phone call?

Face to Face next Monday

 

[Trickyd66]

That’s interesting - here they refuse to let you see their reply !

As with so much in firearms licensing, it is all a bit vague.
In an ideal world (whatever that is) the GP providing your medical proforma would email it via secure email to the FLD or it be given to the applicant in a sealed envelope to be passed to the FLD. (In the back of my mind, this was for a brief time the requirement?)
By the applicant being able to physically access the document in order to scan into the online form, it allows the unscrupulous a chance to alter it to their benefit (however I am sure that the FED'S will run all proformas through some system to ensure they have not been digitally altered??)

The old system worked! FLD emailed GP .. does Mr Trickyd66 have any medical history that would prevent them from safely possessing a firearm... if not, please place a marker on his record. Within 3 weeks of my initial application going in, I had a marker on my records as the FLD had requested a check. Now it can take months to get the proforma sorted.

That said, the marker seems to only be visible to the GP surgery which added the marker, not to A&E / other healthcare professionals.

 

[Liveonce]

Face to Face next Monday

interesting how they do it differently depending on where you live, I thought best practice for a renewal was a phone call, which is how Kent did mine last year. All goes to show why the fees went up by such a large amount.

 

[nun_hunter]

interesting how they do it differently depending on where you live, I thought best practice for a renewal was a phone call, which is how Kent did mine last year. All goes to show why the fees went up by such a large amount.

Its usually a face to face on alternate renewals or can depend how many other face to face meetings they have to have. Also depends if things have changed in your circumstances or any other intel they may have that either makes them want a face to face or happy with just a call.

 

[Liveonce]

Its usually a face to face on alternate renewals or can depend how many other face to face meetings they have to have. Also depends if things have changed in your circumstances or any other intel they may have that either makes them want a face to face or happy with just a call.

not convinced if they had any intel that was of consequence they would not wait until renewal.

 

[eldon]

The system now seems a total ass, a proper olde world meets pseudo modern computer mismash.

This is my recent renewal so far.....
So I received a paper letter for my renewal.
I'm then guided to download and print a form.
I then take the form to the doctors to be advised the x3 pages or so will take four weeks to complete
They call me in four weeks later so I can pay the £90 and collect my paper form.
I then need to scan it once home to create an electronic copy to be forwarded to the police.
I'm also requested to scan my certificates and send them back to the issuing source ( do they not already possess copies on file?) when completing my application.

Twenty minutes to complete the administration it clearly states on the forms.... some joke!
Having spent hours collecting information and detail prior, it still took me over one hour with the odd desperate search, despite thinking I had everything ready.

No save function, why not?

If we are going electronic then do it in it's entirety.
If we are staying on paper then do so.

Why can't the opening question read something like this.....
"Do you wish to complete this process electronically or on paper, only tick one box?
This option will cease to exist on ( some future date say x3 years from now)."

Total nonsensical system designed to put people off, was my only conclusion, anyone else thought otherwise?

 

[weblyish]

It's odd/annoying that the police say the GP proforma letter is only valid for 6 months when once they have it it's then valid for the the next 5 years that your Certificate is also valid for.

If you use Medcert or another 3rd party there is no ability for them to add notes onto your GP file or to ensure your GP will notify the FLD of any relevant conditions you develop.

Just another money making scheme to cover their ass at our expense.

you are incorrect in starting from the position any of this is supposed to actually work to make people safer

if course it doesnt make sense if that is the framework you are trying to fit it in

 

[Cyres]

GP form now at GP. £46 fee paid. Should be ready in 4 weeks! I suggested 2 weeks max as short time scale for submission.
Fingers crossed
D

 

[nun_hunter]

not convinced if they had any intel that was of consequence they would not wait until renewal.

Depends on what it is.

 

[nun_hunter]

you are incorrect in starting from the position any of this is supposed to actually work to make people safer

if course it doesnt make sense if that is the framework you are trying to fit it in

I'm well aware this does nothing to keep people safe, or at least it doesn't do anything worthwhile unless the GPs are forced or guarantee they will add a marker and contact the FLD with any future concerns.

Using a third party is pointless for renewals as you've already been checked at least once and so if anything has come up since then it should have been reported to the police.

A third party who has never seen,spoken or heard from the applicant saying there is nothing in the report to pose a risk is pointless.

As I said it's just ass covering from the police after a coroner's inquest said they shouldn't have issued a certificate without a reply from a GP when the common practice was to wait 30 days for a response and if there was none then assume all was ok.

 

[Liveonce]

The system now seems a total ass, a proper olde world meets pseudo modern computer mismash.

This is my recent renewal so far.....
So I received a paper letter for my renewal.
I'm then guided to download and print a form.
I then take the form to the doctors to be advised the x3 pages or so will take four weeks to complete
They call me in four weeks later so I can pay the £90 and collect my paper form.
I then need to scan it once home to create an electronic copy to be forwarded to the police.
I'm also requested to scan my certificates and send them back to the issuing source ( do they not already possess copies on file?) when completing my application.

Twenty minutes to complete the administration it clearly states on the forms.... some joke!
Having spent hours collecting information and detail prior, it still took me over one hour with the odd desperate search, despite thinking I had everything ready.

No save function, why not?

If we are going electronic then do it in it's entirety.
If we are staying on paper then do so.

Why can't the opening question read something like this.....
"Do you wish to complete this process electronically or on paper, only tick one box?
This option will cease to exist on ( some future date say x3 years from now)."

Total nonsensical system designed to put people off, was my only conclusion, anyone else thought otherwise?

Does not the Home office statutory guidance state that the GP report should go direct from the GP to FLO.
That’s what my GP did and I got a copy.

otherwise with technology today not difficult to edit the report prior to scanning and forwarding with the application the exact reason the GP report was introduced was because a minority were less than honest about medical condition.

As you say it’s a mess.

 

[Bo Diddley]

My GP report was a few boxes ticked, a couple of rubber stamps and a phone call saying come and pick it up 5 days after I dropped it in, £25. Excellent service.

Would using your GF sister as one of your countersignatories be acceptable , She's a company director, and technically no relation to me, but has known me for twenty years...


Apparently, it's not ok