Advice needed: Ex partner and threats to call the police.

[Eddie P]

If you volenteer to hand in cert, then there is no legal right to appeal, if they terminate, then you have much more protection.

 

[finnbear270]

I would be gone in sixty seconds.

 

[MW73]

Thanks for the replies , just to clarify , we're still together in the house and being amicable.

The reason for this thread was to get a better understanding of possible outcomes what may happen.

As some of you have mentioned , a relationship can be hard enough at times but throw something like firearms into the mix and it can make things even worse in your own mind, sometimes I think it may be best to flog them and carry on shooting my sub 12s to save any hassle

 

[topscots1]

They need no reason to revoke.
With your certificates you could go and get your guns your property back from the RFD.
if you have a spare slot on your certificate to acquire a firearm you could go buy it and ammunition.
if you have a shotgun certificate you could go buy 1 or a 100.

If you have sufficient concern that you have concluded you need to put your firearms in to an RFD then what will they be thinking? They will remove all potential risk from the situation, simple.

This is not strictly true, a reason is required to revoke a granted firearms certificate. The burden of proof is not the same as a criminal case, an allegation can justify revocation.

Revocation comes with the ability to legally challenge the decision, the chief constable revoking the certificate can and should it be challenged in court and will be asked to justify the decision and cite the evidence used to make the decision.

There is no legal challenge to voluntarily surrendering certificates.

Voluntarily storing firearms with an RFD shows good will, an understanding of the police’s position. Being honest with the FEO that such a threat has been made also creates a trail of facts. A recording of the partner making admission to her will to place a false allegation would work better.

 

[gixer1]

Take her out for a valentines meal and have a heart-to-heart with her, if you love each other then hopefully you can work away forward together.

Really? You think someone threatening to call the police and say you were being difficult is a good person to carry on a relationship with?

Sorry, but you need to boot her arse out the door or get yourself out….no partner worth staying with should use threats such as these.

 

[Eddie P]

As others have said this behaviour sounds like controlling and coercive behaviour, this is by the current definition domestic abuse. Just something to think about.

 

[HonestJohn]

Think about what’s more important to you - possible future relationship with this person, marriage, kids? Or ensuring your guns are safe. I’d pick family, but it’s your call.

No fun ditching a relationship to sit alone in a rental flat with a few guns and wish you hadn’t ditched your partner.

This can only be your call based on what’s most important to you

 

[bullet chucker]

I see the further situation of a quick get away to pastures new' Change of address' notification comes to mind to comply with your FAC conditions?

BC.

 

[Jon P]

Think about what’s more important to you - possible future relationship with this person, marriage, kids? Or ensuring your guns are safe. I’d pick family, but it’s your call.

No fun ditching a relationship to sit alone in a rental flat with a few guns and wish you hadn’t ditched your partner.

This can only be your call based on what’s most important to you

No fun being in a relationship with someone that uses blackmail to get there own way. Get out of there

 

[Bo Diddley]

Thanks for the replies , just to clarify , we're still together in the house and being amicable.

The reason for this thread was to get a better understanding of possible outcomes what may happen.

As some of you have mentioned , a relationship can be hard enough at times but throw something like firearms into the mix and it can make things even worse in your own mind, sometimes I think it may be best to flog them and carry on shooting my sub 12s to save any hassle

Don't let the tail wag the dog bud

 

[Mossypaw]

Happy Valentine’s Day !

 

[opticron1]

Difficult situation as the inherent threat will always remain. A friend of mine was going through a rough patch with his (now) ex partner and she called the Police to say he had threatened her, they were at the house promptly to ensure they couldn't be accused of not taking the threat seriously and removed his shot guns and subsequently cancelled his SGC. His ex contacted the Police later to say she had acted maliciously, but my pal had reached a point of giving up trying to get his SGC back as it was too much hassle.

 

[VSS]

Even if he is "difficult", using such a vindictive, unlawful threat trumps his "difficultness" by a country mile. The relationship is over after such a threat.

If you have ever lived with a woman who has mental stability issues, then actually there is only one side to a story, at least one truthful side.

With respect, we don't know the nature of the OP's "difficult" behaviour. You're jumping to conclusions in assuming that she's the one with the mental stability issues. As I said, there's two sides to every story, and we've only heard one of them. The one that the OP wants us to hear. Maybe his partner genuinely felt that calling the police would have been appropriate at the time?
How many firearms tradgedies could have been averted over the years, had concerned friends, partners or relatives spoken out?

 

[John Gryphon]

just to clarify , we're still together in the house and being amicable.

Thats for now and remember leopards dont change their spots.
Once there is a reaction that suits a vindictive person they will store that for future references.
Never mind moving the firearms, move her to the X list.

I have been warned myself by a former partner of much the same. I gently eased myself out.

 

[Liveonce]

This is not strictly true, a reason is required to revoke a granted firearms certificate. The burden of proof is not the same as a criminal case, an allegation can justify revocation.

Revocation comes with the ability to legally challenge the decision, the chief constable revoking the certificate can and should it be challenged in court and will be asked to justify the decision and cite the evidence used to make the decision.

There is no legal challenge to voluntarily surrendering certificates.

Voluntarily storing firearms with an RFD shows good will, an understanding of the police’s position. Being honest with the FEO that such a threat has been made also creates a trail of facts. A recording of the partner making admission to her will to place a false allegation would work better.

They turn up unannounced armed officers to collect your firearms and certificate then you have the pain of going forward from that point, reason anything they like to think of in this sort of case danger to themselves or their partner of family etc. Then yes you can go to court if you have the money to do so? If then you win the judge instructs the Chief constable to return the firearms so future risk is then down to the judge not the chief constable, hence the police do not mind going to court plus it is public money they are spending in the process.

Yes voluntary storing firearms with the RFD shows good will but this is 2023 after Plymouth and Surrey they will fail safe ie take your certificates one way or another they just cannot take the risk, would you in their position?

 

[Liveonce]

When I stored my rifles in the club armoury during my divorce . I notified my Flo and told the m that while they were there in storage I would be still taking a gun out and using them @ the club . Not a problem I was told .

How long ago was that and did your partner make false allegations that you threatened them with your firearms?

 

[Liveonce]

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[griff]

Get a discreet recorder and get her to say why she would call the police, then lodge that with a solicitor.

 

[norma 308]

I very much feel for you as someone who went through a divorce and have firearms it’s a very tricky time nothing I can add to this long list of advice other than stay focused stay calm and do not get stressed out or AGITATED that was a word used repeatedly!
It will all pass eventually
Regards
Norma

 

[reiver]

How long ago was that and did your partner make false allegations that you threatened them with your firearms?

It was 4 yrs ago and i moved my guns straight away before anything might happen .