After the DSC1....another training option: LANTRA.

[hottopic]

It looks a good course. Lantra have recognised the St Huber Club qualified stalking certificate for Deer Stalking.

No the St H C is a LANTRA AWARDS course, if it were recognised by the real Lantra (who set the standard) and not LANTRA AWARDS it would mean that it was a public course and anybody could present and offer it.

Lantra and LANTRA AWARDS really need to seperate themselves to save on this confusion that there always is with this.

You can ask LANTRA AWARDS to certify any countryside course that you have written.

That doesnt take anything away from the St H C training which is very comprehensive, but as a recognised and well respected club they could have issued the award themselves like BASC do with the shotgun coaching etc.

 

[HME]

Guys be aware! Lantra is not the same as LANTRA AWARDS who offer this course. They are not an official awarding body and carry no more weight than a BASC training course. Although I would say that a BASC course holds more credability.

Lantra awards are a shameless way of government trying to get more money from the countryside workers and employers.

Parks and Thornley also do a night shooting course and a deer and liabilities course, both would have the same creditaion, and with Parks and Thornley who are both ex police men and expert witness' for the courts you will get back up if heavens forbid it all goes wrong.

Not a fan of Lantra Awards

This is completely wrong! The Firearms courses are run and designed by LANTRA AWARDS, I have no idea where you are getting this information from about another organisation called Lantra - they are one and the same.

 

[hottopic]

This is completely wrong! The Firearms courses are run and designed by LANTRA AWARDS, I have no idea where you are getting this information from about another organisation called Lantra - they are one and the same.

Why two differnt websites then?
http://www.lantra.co.uk/
http://www.lantra-awards.co.uk/

Lantra are the industry led board that look at proper qualification such as those taken by students at college.

LANTRA AWARDS are the money making arm, the courses that they offer are not qualification but awards. I get the information from lantra becasue I sit on the board.

 

[teyhan1]

I am confused.
On one hand I agree with HME as when you hit on the LANTRA site they also show LANTRA-AWARDS. Then as you say LANTRA seem to own LANTRA-AWARDS.
If as you say you are on the board why are you allowing awards to be given which as you say are not qualifications and therefore clearly mis-leading or mis-selling 'qualifications' which hold no weight with potential employers?
I run a garden machinery business and could sell you some chainsaw trousers. However when you go for a contract and your gear doesn't meet current specs you won't get anywhere and you'll end up shelling out more money for the correct gear.

 

[hottopic]

You and everybody else in the countryside are confused by the whole Lantra & LANTRA AWARDS debacle. Lantra are a government body that get members of industry together to set the NOS (National Occupational Standards) these are then used by the colleges and bodies that award qualifications (such as City & Guilds and NVQ's) to deliver qualifications.

Lantra set up LANTRA AWARDS to make some money using the Lantra name, which the industry constantly tell them they shouldn’t do. Lantra Awards run excellent courses but they are certificates or awards and not qualifications. If Lantra simply changed the name of LANTRA AWARDS to something different and made it clear that they are different it would make life clear and easy. They won’t do that because they make a good income from it. Again the BASC shotgun coaching certificate carries the same weight as the LANTRA AWARDS equivalent but because it has Lantra in the title people assume that it is a qualification and not just an awarded certificate. Both are valid and both are very good. I am not saying that LA don’t run decent courses I just don’t like the miss conception that they deliberately put across.

The LANTRA AWARDS courses are no different from DSC1 etc, they are excellent courses but do not always follow the NOS (some do). A good example is the Meat Hygiene course LANTRA AWARDS do one and so do the Food Standards Agency both hold the same weight but are not Lantra courses.

If you read the LANTRA AWARDS website you will see that anybody can submit a bespoke course that they will award for a fee. http://www.lantra-awards.co.uk/Bespoke-Training.aspx

As long as a course that has a certificate is recognized then it is valid (again DSC1) but it is not a qualification (GCSE, City & Guilds etc).

Still confused - no doubt!

 

[Shabz]

I kinda think the whole LANTRA point is a bit moot. I'm a tree surgeon and have dozens of NPTCs, Lantra awards svqs etc.. I'm also halfway to becoming a lantra instructor. I could design a course that would make you into a fantastic tree surgeon with skills and abilities far surpassing those of 'recognised' training. What would you rather have? Skills and ability, or the bits of paper?

The reason I say it is moot is that after completing this (or any) you will be issued with a certificate that shows that you have had training. That is all that is required by law when PUWER regulations come into play.



Anyway, Erik, I'm glad that you enjoyed the course and have learned something! It's something that I have considered myself. It's a sign of good character when someone is responsible enough to take it upon themselves to further their understanding of something.

I don't understand why anyone would need to range anything without a rangefinder though! I always use one and wouldn't shoot if I didn't have it.

 

[trouble]

Trouble
The guy that runs the courses is called Joe Davin. Joe runs the course at my range (as well as others) as it is a Lantra approved site. It is a very detailed course and aimed at individuals needing a specific qualification such as pest controllers. There is a chap in the area claiming to be a Lantra instructor (which I believe he may be) but has nowhere to run a course from - they have to be run from a Lantra approved facility of which there are three in the country (for firearms).

aha , hes not who i thought then . I wasnt being negative with my first post , its just that there is a bloke in that area who has a gun shop and does some lantra training , on a spraying course he was doing he kicked a full bottle of spray into the river and poisoned miles of it ! So you see i was more concerned than negative as he now seems to be getting into stalking . You may know him HME . I might pop along one day mate when i get time

 

[Bandit Country]

Still confused - no doubt!

Nope! Read this Lantra - Lantra | About Us
and this Lantra Awards UK - About Lantra Awards - Training - Qualifications
and this Lantra Awards UK - Welcome to Lantra Awards
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BTW, LANTRA is NOT a "Government body" it is the Sector Skills Council that (among other things) sets the standards - the 'NOS' - for land-based vocational qualifications. Lantra Awards is an awarding body, exactly the same as C&G, ILM, OCR, Edexcel etc etc etc.

If you are interested in firearms training (but without the risks of a roulement through Helmand!) try this Lantra Awards UK - Firearms