I often shoot more than one deer during a session - I'd be screwed if I followed this logic!
Any suggestions regarding .270 accuracy issues
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I often shoot more than one deer during a session - I'd be screwed if I followed this logic!
Utectok
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Haha I often shoot two out of one herd wouldn't work for me either lol tbh there is a lot of carp about barrels heating up you see some f class shooters fairly machine gunning the v bulls if the wind is right! Heavy barrel I know but still…I often shoot more than one deer during a session - I'd be screwed if I followed this logic!
TH4
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How many different makes of ammo have you tried?If it was a second hand oldy Utectok I would be a bit more blasé but this was a new rifle straight import from the states a couple of years ago before covid hit and has been looked after i.e. cleaned well stored well and shot in when I first go it. I am just worried it was a Friday afternoon barrel. It just bugs me as my first proper deer rifle was an old Sako 75 .243 off my keeper that had god knows how many rounds down it and was not treated well but still managed to put in consistent sub MOA groups all day long.
Worst case if I decide to rebarrel I may just do something different and redo it as a 25 06.
My 270 shoots 5 inch groups with winchester and hornady. One hole groups with virtually anything else.
Can't understand why people say it is hard to shoot well with a 270, unless the shooter is scared of the recoil.
Tried some federal 130grain as well as Hornady 130grain and did work up a decent (or at least it shot ok at the time) homeload with 130 grain Speer hot core. I now have some 145 grain to try out as well see if weight makes a different as everything so far has been 130grain.
I dont find the recoil any issue to be honest even with the mod off this is not to say I am not unconsciously flinching. Its a heavy rifle to be fair so soaks up the recoil well.
To be honest I find my shotgun kicks more especially with some heavier game loads.
dropmdead
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Years ago I thought of reassessing load development on the .270 and wanted to see where max powder charge was with a given powder/bullet combo.
It grouped fantastically well, and you could really hear the difference of thump into the backstop.
Unfortunately, the load was too sharp with recoil and I got a flinch after playing with too many rounds at this load. Back to my original load, and reset myself on every round, and back to normal....
The .270 is a rifle I look to go back to irrespective of lead/non lead bullets.
It grouped fantastically well, and you could really hear the difference of thump into the backstop.
Unfortunately, the load was too sharp with recoil and I got a flinch after playing with too many rounds at this load. Back to my original load, and reset myself on every round, and back to normal....
The .270 is a rifle I look to go back to irrespective of lead/non lead bullets.
I've never once felt any recoil from any rifle when I've shot a deer. Zeroing, a different matter..
Smellydog
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Sure. I love feeling recoil but after a few rounds testing from a low position it can get uncomfortable.
An old guy gave me the tip years ago and it works.
With even larger caliber rifles I build the bench up so my back is more vertical than horizontal or shoot from a tripod. That way I can roll with the recoil.
All that aside my money is on this fellows issues being the rifle. Something like the barrel just rattling during firing on the fore end. Or not enough solid bedding of the barrel and forend.
Many a rifle is sold with a so called floating barrel and demonstrated with a piece of paper. It's not enough clearance. Many a rifle is load sensitive to this one common mistake more than anything else.
The second most common thing that makes a rifle shoot poor is that the bolt hand when closed also touches the stock. An action or receiver sitting low in the stock may just allow the handle to touch the stock. Its another classic mistake.
Unmoderated?
Suspect you had the scope magnification turned up too high (max?) at 100m.
Seen many people turning their scope up to full mag for no reason and they usually shoot poorly after a few shots.
dropmdead
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I fired 100+ .270 rounds prone on a lightweight stalking rifle in the afternoon. Powder load was above book max, but the cases measured within tolerance (hence the increase of felt recoil).
It was a learning day - my shooting buddy also ran a .270 and the furthest he had ever shot was 120m. By the end of the day he was shooting 600m at paper, and practiced on deer targets out to 200m with confidence.
firstly you cant shoot out a bore in 200 rounds ! you cab rust one out without firing a single shot though .
Clean it well then give it to the best/ most consistent shooter you know , can they shoot with it ? Obviously if the answer is yes, its not the rifle or scope
If they cannot, look to the ammo ! is it factory , same batch as did shoot ? if Home loads are they from the original batch ? could well be you messed up or the manufacturer did . Try again a box of some quality factory
All failed to find anything ? give it to a competent RFD to have a look at . Have seen front pins acting as the recoil lug , loose barrels , bent barrels , messed up crowns, scope or mounts etc
You simply go through finding out what its not , rather than looking for what it is stage by stage.
Unfortunately due to various issues I cant make it to the range until the end of the month. I have given the barrel a good go through with JB bore past and now have some heavier factory ammo to try. I am also going to get someone else to shoot a group with it while I am there.
With regard to issues with the barrel touching the stock or causing issue this shouldn't be a concern as this rifle is in an MDT Chassis so the barrel is full floating with no option for contact with the fore end at all. I have had the chassis bolts torqued up to the recommended settings from MDT and have also checked the rail to see that is on tight as well.
So the plan is to go through the stages I can control i.e ammo, shooter, scope and then start looking at stuff I cant do much about by getting it checked out by the smith who did my semi custom .243 to see if he can find anything.
No one would be happier than me if it is me who is having issues as thats a cheap thing to work on
Smellydog
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Stick a newspaper down your jacket when you go to the range and please just to shut me up....check the bolt when closed is only touching steel. Thanks.Unfortunately due to various issues I cant make it to the range until the end of the month. I have given the barrel a good go through with JB bore past and now have some heavier factory ammo to try. I am also going to get someone else to shoot a group with it while I am there.
With regard to issues with the barrel touching the stock or causing issue this shouldn't be a concern as this rifle is in an MDT Chassis so the barrel is full floating with no option for contact with the fore end at all. I have had the chassis bolts torqued up to the recommended settings from MDT and have also checked the rail to see that is on tight as well.
So the plan is to go through the stages I can control i.e ammo, shooter, scope and then start looking at stuff I cant do much about by getting it checked out by the smith who did my semi custom .243 to see if he can find anything.
No one would be happier than me if it is me who is having issues as thats a cheap thing to work on
Interesting view - but IMO two shots are a pure coincidence. If the first two are a long way apart, why might one not be able to shoot smaller than the first two?
If a 'flyer' does turn up, might it not just be part of the composite group you're building up by shooting these pairs?
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