Arran / Basc

FC staff are still required to manage the recreational stalkers, ensure they a competent and culling the numbers they should be.
They also need to manage the Contractors i am sure there is a way of uncomplicating the current System but why would you do that when the money is in the budget. My Thoughts are the procurement system does not work and needs looked at. The lease of land to public si not working and is now down to a few leases if any. This needs looked at and rectified and suitable ground needs put back out to rec management. Competence and safety should be took away from FLS and should become independent. A government standard for all who wish to shoot on public land. FLS , NS spend just as much money on Admin and feasibility study's as they do on trying to get the job done. 300,000 on three small pilots. The final cost will be 600,000+ Risk averse needs to stop in many cases.
 
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They also need to manage the Contractors i am sure there is a way of uncomplicating the current System but why would you do that when the money is in the budget. My Thoughts are the procurement system does not work and needs looked at. The lease of land to public si not working and is now down to a few leases if any. This needs looked at and rectified and suitable ground needs put back out to rec management. Competence and safety should be took away from FLS and should become independent. A government standard for all who wish to shoot on public land. FLS , NS spend just as much money on Admin and feasibility study's as they do on trying to get the job done. 300,000 on three small pilots. The final cost will be 600,000+ Risk averse needs to stop in many cases.
Not disagreeing David however hands are tied by public procurement and Health and safety legislation and the legal responsibilities these place on any corporate body and ultimately the CEO.
Private corporations many elect to play fast and lose to these matters but in these times of high public scrutiny of any public body they have little choice but abide by the letter of the law.
Can you imagine the press outcry if someone was shot on the public estate and the public body was found to be wanting in terms of its oversight of h&s. The CEO and the responsible govt Minister would have their heads on a block.
 
Sadly i am out of touch but i am sure the FLS Ranger contractor are capable of doing the job with out the help of organisation members. FLS have shut most of the leases down and taken them back in house why not Arran was it special or should FLS open up all the leases they shut and get rid of contractor fee,
Leases don't work.
 
From what I recall from some previous threads about the Arran scheme, there seemed to be a few members of this site who would gladly see the the scheme finish. For reasons which appeared to boil down to either petty jealousy or a resentment of BASC as an organisation.
 
Leases don't work.
Griff i disagree. Leases in many cases do work and groups of good lads have done a great job in a small space of time with the restrictions put on them by FE/FLS. You took a leases after jumping through many loops (Similar to a contractor) You then had to pay FE money to do the job and you could not invest because the procurement process said you need to leave after 3 - 5 years.So the leases could work and have in the past. What they should have done is keep the leases going unlimited if the cull target is met or surpass. Any leases that failed sack the group and put on a new group as local as they can. (Carbon foot print as a good reason ). Last but not lease pay them to cull the deer and make the chillers available for pick up to keep a record of success or failure.
 
From what I recall from some previous threads about the Arran scheme, there seemed to be a few members of this site who would gladly see the the scheme finish. For reasons which appeared to boil down to either petty jealousy or a resentment of BASC as an organisation.
Mudman i think there are more that would like to have seen the successful scheme rolled out over much of Scotland. Sadly the lease was written with only one winner in mind. If a different Organisation acquired the lease i am sure that a lot of BASC members would be green with envy. Having a two tear lease system does not do any of us any good. Two winners BASC and NS who get there vote in anything they put forward. If you think that's a fair system that's fine but many do not and they have the right to an opinion.
 
Griff i disagree. Leases in many cases do work and groups of good lads have done a great job in a small space of time with the restrictions put on them by FE/FLS. You took a leases after jumping through many loops (Similar to a contractor) You then had to pay FE money to do the job and you could not invest because the procurement process said you need to leave after 3 - 5 years.So the leases could work and have in the past. What they should have done is keep the leases going unlimited if the cull target is met or surpass. Any leases that failed sack the group and put on a new group as local as they can. (Carbon foot print as a good reason ). Last but not lease pay them to cull the deer and make the chillers available for pick up to keep a record of success or failure.
From my own experience of plus 30yrs of FC I totally agree with David comments.
It does seem that FC (and possibly FLS) are making up rules to suit latest political directives / masters policy while ignoring decades knowledge and experience of full time and rec stalkers.
 
So, BASC have just announced on the Arran FB page that they did not get their tender accepted. No news yet who did (that should come on Friday according to the tender document) but that's the end of the BASC Arran scheme as we know it 😥

I wait with interest to see who did get it and whether something similar to the BASC scheme is proposed, whether it's going to be a member's only type affair (think Caproleous), a "commercial" stalking affair, whether is a scheme for local stalkers, or something completely different - maybe others on here know more :-| However it turns out, I'm sad to see the end of the opportunity provided by BASC and for those involved who have put a significant amount of effort in providing outstanding red deer stalking opportunities for others and I'm especially thinking of "Bob" Logan and Chris Brooks, to whom I'm personally indebted. Respect and gratitude!
 
So, BASC have just announced on the Arran FB page that they did not get their tender accepted. No news yet who did (that should come on Friday according to the tender document) but that's the end of the BASC Arran scheme as we know it 😥

I wait with interest to see who did get it and whether something similar to the BASC scheme is proposed, whether it's going to be a member's only type affair (think Caproleous), a "commercial" stalking affair, whether is a scheme for local stalkers, or something completely different - maybe others on here know more :-| However it turns out, I'm sad to see the end of the opportunity provided by BASC and for those involved who have put a significant amount of effort in providing outstanding red deer stalking opportunities for others and I'm especially thinking of "Bob" Logan and Chris Brooks, to whom I'm personally indebted. Respect and gratitude!
I concur, Bob and Griff when we were going.
 
That’s a real shame. I did my DSC1 with Chris Brooks just a couple of weeks ago. I know the FLS ground on Arran reasonably well through my work and was looking forward to using the scheme in the future.
 
Real shame as was great when I managed onto it few years ago. Will be interesting to see what BASC do now as would be good to see them try have the same somewhere else in Scotland.
 
The BASC scheme has been running many years with out any other roll outs so it was always going to be under scrutiny. Had this really been positive for scotland as was described by the BASC MEDIA TEAM i am sure it would have been kept on and others started.
 
The BASC scheme has been running many years with out any other roll outs so it was always going to be under scrutiny. Had this really been positive for scotland as was described by the BASC MEDIA TEAM i am sure it would have been kept on and others started.
The Arran scheme has indeed been running many years and a lot of time and effort put into it by so many people. And so many recreational stalkers benefited. The Arran scheme has led to more schemes. The current schemes are here:

Stalking schemes

The BASC tender application outcome for Arran posted by @wytonpjs from whatever was posted in the Arran FB page is disappointing for many people and the timing and content of your cynical comment is, I think, distasteful and insensitive, to say the least.

As to national level in Scotland, BASC will continue to advocate for its proposed system of community integrated deer management whereby local volunteers are trained and encouraged to undertake deer management alongside and coordinated by the professional wildlife ranger staff of FLS. Similarly, if the Scottish government want to encourage greater uptake of qualifications within the deer management sector, then they should look to subsidise relevant training courses as the Forestry Commission have done in England.

Almost all deer management stakeholders accept that there are considerable merits of integrating communities in the management of Scotland’s deer – particularly in the lowland context. This means giving trained recreational deer stalkers more opportunities to manage deer in their local area, as well as widening community participation in deer stalking through the provision of training. The benefits of community integration are numerous, and the
foundations of this vision are highly sustainable. It will build resilience into the management framework; it will enable a sustainable food source to be harvested, processed and consumed locally; it will effectively and flexibly protect the environment; it will improve economic productivity; and it will enhance community knowledge of deer impacts and benefits.

Achieving greater community integration will require a concerted effort by a diversity of stakeholders – including local communities, landowners, shooting organisations, statutory agencies and environmental NGOs. Only through collaborative working will key barriers – such as land availability, training provision, lack of infrastructure and supply chains – be effectively overcome. The Community Integrated Deer Management proposal would allow trained stalkers access to local publicly owned land, thus empowering local communities and reducing the expenditure on contracts.

Many Scandinavian countries use this model currently and it is proven to be a successful strategy. This could be further developed by the Scottish government to ensure that we can manage our deer populations cost effectively and sustainably into perpetuity.
 
So, BASC have just announced on the Arran FB page that they did not get their tender accepted. No news yet who did (that should come on Friday according to the tender document) but that's the end of the BASC Arran scheme as we know it 😥

I wait with interest to see who did get it and whether something similar to the BASC scheme is proposed, whether it's going to be a member's only type affair (think Caproleous), a "commercial" stalking affair, whether is a scheme for local stalkers, or something completely different - maybe others on here know more :-| However it turns out, I'm sad to see the end of the opportunity provided by BASC and for those involved who have put a significant amount of effort in providing outstanding red deer stalking opportunities for others and I'm especially thinking of "Bob" Logan and Chris Brooks, to whom I'm personally indebted. Respect and gratitude!
Yes Bob and chris put a lot of time and effort in running this scheme.
Sad day 😞
 
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